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Author: tomqu Timestamp:- 10/5/2011 2:11:30 PM Subject: AI case in federal court
Message: if Ai horses are not discrimminated against in oz this could help small breedas while the arabs and coolmore et al are not going to collect their stallions to give good and cheap stallion semen there may be others on a world market that will eg NZ otherwise small breedas will be killed off and racing will go like uk flat racing stuffed only the aristocracy and arabs the breed associations have gone with the status quo any one can see the concentration of stallion blood b/w the big 3 and extremely high service fees is not interests of the average mare owner
Author: tomqu Timestamp:- 23/6/2012 9:36:25 PM Subject: Re: AI case in federal court
Message: the studbook consists of 10 000 owners 8000 of which one mare so small owners would benefit from buying sperm on a world market eg authorised stands for aus $ 14k in england but 22 k in oz when they bring a stallion in to oz for breeding they have to pay atleast 5% customs duty to fed government
Message: I wish I shared your optimism, PharLap Rules.
You say that "the big studs are not going to produce 1,000 Redoutes because it will devalue the price of the yearlings due to increased supply".
I'm not seeking to argue with you, since I admit I don't know for sure what the consequences will be, but what makes you think the studs will care that much about the price of yearlings? That is a problem for the customers, not the studs.
There is one particular top stud now that is notorious for squeezing every last dollar out of its stallions and breeders don't know until the annual returns are lodged whether their mare was one of 100 or 250 mares covered by that stallion that season. The stud doesn't give a toss about small breeders now, so why are they suddenly going to care under an environment that gives them even more power in future?
I understand that AI has been allowed in the harness breeding industry for some time, and it would be good if someone who understands that market can talk about the changes that happened when it was introduced.
The point you make about the use of surrogate mares is interesting. Surrogacy and AI are different things, even though the use of AI opens up the possibility of the latter. I actually have a mare that has produced a topliner, but hasn't carried a foal to term since. I'd love to be able to use her genes, but if the price of that is full-on AI then I'd rather not take the risk.
Anyway, PharLapRules, if this regime should come to pass I hope you are right. Cheers
Message: I can't see the problem as long as there are guidelines. The big studs are not going to produce 1000 Redoute's each season as it will lower the price of yearlings due to increased supply. Any horse that has been concieved through AI should be noted as such on its registration as I have heard theories in the past that an experiment was done years ago and the AI foals were all slow??? Doesn't seem to affect the quality in other international events dressage, jumping etc.
As a small breeder it would give me more choice as my mares could stay here and still have access to a variety of stallions without the cost of travel and agistment. The big breeders seem to be talking about decreasing genetic pool more than anything else, well limit the number of AI straws allowed. Easy. It would also mean great mares that have trouble holding a pregnancy will not be lost to the gene pool as they can have the foal carried by a surrogate.
They are saying that overseas industries will not recognise AI horses. There will still be both natural and AI conceptions. Buyers have that choice. Quite frankly if I had a great racehorse that was AI and couldn't compete o/s I wouldnt give a toss. It seems the negatives for this scheme are only for the large breeders to me.
Message: Agree that the concentration of stallions in a small number of houses, leads to high service fees and is not in the interests of smaller breeders.
But allowing AI will only strengthen their power - it's not going to help anyone else. As a small breeder now, you at least know that there is a physical cap on the number of Fastnet Rocks or Lonhros (or whoever) at around the 200 mark, give or take. With AI, you'll have no idea how many Fastnet Rocks or Lonhros are being "made" this season. So, you'll have no way of knowing the correct value of their service fee, or that of any of their competitors. Information is power, and under an AI world, only the same large studs will be fully informed.
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