Thursday, 2 August 2012
: The world's best racehorse Frankel duly won his 12th race and eighth at G1 level when he kept his unbeaten record intact at Goodwood on Wednesday when he outclassed three rivals in the Sussex Stakes
Frankel was sent off at odds of 1/20 after he frightened off all but three rivals and gave his rider Tom Queally little cause for concern.
“Every moment spent on Frankel's back is a special moment and today was no different,” Queally said.
“He is amazing and had all the other horses cooked at a little after halfway - it was a nice prep for his next race.
“He is a class apart from any other horse around at the moment and does it all very easily so therefore I have a very easy job. All I need to do is steer him.
“These are magic moments and it's great to be a part of it.”
Owner Khlaid Abdullah's racing manager Teddy Grimthorpe outlined the plans mapped out for Frankel by trainer Sir Henry Cecil.
“We all have a pretty good idea how good he is now,” Grimthorpe said.
“Henry was very firm in his view that he wanted to use this race as a stepping stone for the Juddmonte International at York on August 22 and everything fell into place nicely.
Settling him is going to be important for his future races and to get him into that nice rhythm on a good rein, but well held. Today he has done that and it will have been just what Henry was looking for.
“There are two obvious races left for him, the Juddmonte and the Champion Stakes at Ascot on October 20.
“But there is a gap of nearly two months between them and Henry may decide to give him a race in between, possibly something like the Prix du Moulin.
“We've always said we want to do the right thing for the horse, and we've never shied away from a race.
"We just want to give him the best chance to show himself as the best, and if there's a race to do that in then we'll go for it.
“Who he takes on is something that is out of our hands. I'm biased, but I've never seen any horse as good as him.
“At the moment Ascot will be his farewell."
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 12-9-2012 8:45:05 AM|
Scott the Arc is a $4.5 million race
English Derby''s $2 million
The Champion Stakes Frankel next race is $2 million
Agree that in general prize money in Australia is fabulous but the prize moneys improving in Europe and horses with G1 winning form in the top races command huge stud fees.
And agree re Black Caviar,Australia has the best sprinters and her destroying fields in Australia should warrant close to a 140 rating.Agreed.She''s the best sprinter I''ve seen. ”
| ||Posted by Scott, on 11-9-2012 6:40:48 AM|
Agree with spuddddles one that one. at least most of those horses he mentioned have won over a few different distances as well. particularly pierro who in 7 starts has already won from 1000m to 1600m. at the end of the day, thanks to competitive racing here in aus reguardless the quality we have a strong industry. how is it looking over there in old blighty with your group 1''s worth around the same as our BM 80 at wyong in prizemoney hahahaha ”
| ||Posted by spudddddles, on 7-9-2012 8:07:52 PM|
patsy besides atlantic jewel and pierro do you really not think there is an aussie horse that could compete on the world stage past a mile..? horses such as more joyous, mosheen and even shoot out im sure could create an impact in my opinion :) ”
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 6-9-2012 8:49:40 PM|
As usual, Patsy, you have missed the point in spectacular fashion. It is one thing to give Harbinger a massive rating for ONE oustanding performance, but it does NOT explain away the fact that they have refused to give Black Caviar the same rating despite UPWARD OF 20 outstanding performances. Nor does denigrating the quality of Australian horses beyond a mile explain why Black Caviar sits in the shadow of the likes of Harbinger in the ratings. She is a sprinter. There is no doubt we have the best sprinters, but that still isn''t enough, is it? ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 6-9-2012 12:14:39 PM|
This astounding ignorance is you not knowing that timeform judge horses on individual efforts and trouncing derby winners and hk cup winners in race record time was a 140 performance..doesn''t mean his career was better than lonhros or sea the stars or anything like that but on that day it''s hard to imagine any horse that would have beaten Harbinger...on that day..
I''ve no doubt Timeform will be proved right re Australian 2000m horses when a B Grader wins or places in a cox plate this year..bar 1 or 2 superstars every few years I just don''t rate them in general past a mile and it''s getting worse.
Now Atlantic jewel is injured theres not 1 world class homebred australian horse racing in Australia past a mile..
Pierro the only possible but I''m extremely suspect re that horse..time will tell. ”
| ||Posted by Jarrad, on 5-9-2012 5:50:23 PM|
Anonymous I could not have said that any better myself. The whole ratings system is horribly horribly biased to European horses.. Always has been and always will be.. What these ratings say is that out of all the hundreds of thousands of thoroughbreds born over the past 50-60 years none are from anywhere but Europe pretty much. Hahaha that is just laughable.. Patsy please give up and maybe take up bingo or art or something but please stop posting nonsense on this website.. Yes he is great. Probably the best miler we''ve seen in years but in no way shape or form does that mean he is the best horse to ever step onto a racecourse!! Give up you clown! ”
| ||Posted by Ms Vegas, on 5-9-2012 7:45:14 AM|
Like I say,it''s just my opinion & none of us will ever know ,but a length & half would seem about right to ''me'',considering she was injured in the run ,already under the whip & the French sprinter''s were closing fast.. Glad for the dialogue,many winners :) ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 4-9-2012 5:43:01 PM|
No superstars in Europe run 23 times especially colts so by your basis the only good horses in the world are Australian horses that don''t retire.
I disagree with that entirely.
Usuain Bolt is the best 100m runner I''ve ever seen and if he retires this year that won''t change that
And of course he upstaged her she won by a neck he won by 11 lengths.
However she''s the best sprinter i''ve seen.
Would i back any horse i''ve seen against Frankel over 1600-2000m if my life depended on it?
No I wouldn''t.
That''s the ultimate judge of greatness as i''d choose him over any horse I''ve seen.
All about opinions. ”
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 2-9-2012 10:14:25 PM|
What you need to understand, Oldhand, is that Patsy and other Europeans know embarrassingly little about Australian racing. For instance, when Patsy was recently asked to give his opinion on how Lonhro compares to Excelebation, Patsy replied that his only recollection of Lonhro was an unplaced run in a Cox Plate. We are talking here about of the best Australian horses of the last decade or so - a Horse Of The Year who won 11 Group One races, is a Champion sire, and has even shuttled to Kentucky - and Patsy is totally unfamiliar with any of its victories. This astounding ignorance is, I suspect, typical of other Europeans and certainly explains why Australian racehorses - despite massive success all over the globe - are still woefully under-rated and why not even 22 unbeaten starts can get an Australian horse''s rating out the 130s. Contrast that to Harbinger. One big run and bang: 140. ”
| ||Posted by oldhand, on 2-9-2012 4:19:13 PM|
Black Caviar ridden out a length and a half.....more in my opinion quite a tad more.
You been looking at to many stats old man;
"Frankel is a miler… He went out of his comfort zone to win over 10.5 furlongs…" hahaha, he looked pretty comfortable to me!
The big question is will he reach 23 wins without defeat regardless of what the times and winning margin will be.
Then and only then will he be proven greater than Black Caviar; no no, we will never see it! they will retire him first!
Your argument is as flawed as Patsy''s poor chap!
He has well and truly been sucked in by the Aussie posters but he keeps on trying though! ”
| ||Posted by oldhand, on 2-9-2012 3:43:16 PM|
While agree that Frankel is a wonderful horse with a great record, he did not upstage Black Caviar one little bit at Ascot in my opinion.
Black Caviar won her race which was her 23rd race unbeaten; Frankel was winning his 11th straight I believe in great style, I won''t argue about that.
When he wins his 23rd race unbeaten in more than his own country regardless of what horses he races against then I will tilt my hat to his greatness.
We will never see him race in the Southern Hemisphere so how can you say he is the greatest, most likely he will never get near having 23rd starts before retirement, so even with his record can never be proven equal
to her regardless of stats. You should take a note out of one former British Prime Minister''s book about statistics mate. ”
| ||Posted by Amanda bond, on 2-9-2012 2:06:21 AM|
Frankel is the most talented and georgeous looking horse I''ve ever seen xxxx ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 30-8-2012 9:54:19 AM|
No Doctor you have a horse like Drunken Sailor coming 3rd in your best 2400m G1 race the BMW.
You have horses like My Kingdom Of Fife and December Draw winning G1s..
The standards lower in Australia past a mile and that''s just fact.
That''s why Australian trainers are buying B Grade staying imports.
Theres no doubt that horses like St Nick Abbey,Camelot,Danedream,Nathaniel,Cirrus Des Aigles would destroy Manighar on any stage..
But Manighar is an import?
Whose the best 2400m AUSTRALIAN horse in Australia at WFA?
Southern Speed? That''s laughable.
Send her to the Japan Cup. ”
| ||Posted by Ms Vegas, on 29-8-2012 12:07:13 PM|
Black Caviar has raced once at 1400m in the C.F Orr Stakes & won it convincingly. When she won at Royal Ascot, after travelling half way across the world,I''d say she was well ''out'' of her comfort zone..and had she been ridden out, her winning margin (IMO) would''ve been about a length & a half.
There is 100% no question that Frankel is an absolute Super Star,but there''s no denying it: so is Black Caviar!
That said,now I''m going to enjoy the Spring Carnival! :) ”
| ||Posted by The Doctor, on 29-8-2012 10:55:57 AM|
Okay, then, Patsy, so when a high-priced, multiple Group One-winning European purchase in Alandi is a massive flop in Australia you''re quick to cite Australian conditions, including hard tracks - yet apparently Frankel would have nothing to prove by racing in these conditions; and you refuse to acknowledge that Manighar''s brilliant adaptation to the conditions has been one of the keys to his success - instead, naively believing that anything that had his measure in Europe (the mythical "A-Graders") would make him look like a "camel" in Australia ”
| ||Posted by hammertime, on 29-8-2012 10:59:39 AM|
yeh, I guess a horse travelling half way around the World is pretty much in their comfort zone. Good work!
As for displaying times from different hemispheres, tracks and state of going, - Datadik, you have too much time on your hands. Look, Frankel is a great horse and so is Black Caviar and anyone bashing either horse has nothing better to do either. ”
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 29-8-2012 9:46:21 AM|
You''ve got to be kidding! How is flying halfway around the world and racing on an unsuitably wet and undulating track and being given a poor ride not leaving your "comfort zone"? I think you''ll find it has been Frankel''s connections who have been ultra-conservative in the way they have campaigned the horse - refusing to travel, dodging the Derby, the Cox Plate, etc. Not only that, Moonlight Cloud has more Group One victories to its name than Farhh - but let us hear again about how good the opposition has been and how travelling wouldn''t prove anything. ”
| ||Posted by datadik, on 29-8-2012 9:48:30 AM|
2012 SUSSEX STAKES G1 8F 1:37.56
2012 LOCKINGE STAKES G1 8F 1:38.14
2012 QUEEN ANNE STKS G1 8F 1:37.85 (WON BY 11L''s)
2011 2,000 GUINEAS G1 8F 1:37.30
2011 ST. JAMESS PALACE STKS G1 8F 1:39.24
2011 SUSSEX STAKES G1 8F 1:37.47
2011 QUEEN ELIZABETH II STKS G1 8F 1:39.45
2010 ROYAL LODGE STKS — 2 YR OLDG2 8F 1:41.73
2012 PRIX JACQUES LE MAROIS G1 1:34.60
FRANKEL BEAT HIM BY 11 LENGTHS IN A TIME OF 1:37.85
FRANKEL MET AND BEAT HIM 5 TIMES
2011 (DEUTSCHES 2000 GUINEAS) G2 1:36.20
2011 PRIX DU MOULIN DE LONGCHAMP G1 1:30.74
AUSTRALIAN CONTINGENT: (1600M)
2012 AJC CHAMPAGNE STAKES G1 1:35.03
2011 MRC 1000 GUINEAS G1 1:35.86
2011 AJC FLIGHT STAKES G1 1:36.70
Give credit where credit due… Frankel is a miler… He went out of his comfort zone to win over 10.5 furlongs… Though his sire does throw stayers.
Black Caviar ran in her comfort zone of 1200m and ONLY just won. She has never raced out of her comfort zone. I doubt she would have beaten Moonlight Cloud if the race had been over 1400m
Moonlight Cloud''s comfort zone is 1400m
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 28-8-2012 11:00:47 PM|
Which lloyd williams horses? which flops?
Alandi? Worst buy I''ve ever seen,dour mudlark with no turn of foot that would have to lump 59kgs in handicaps around fast ground tracks in a crawl and sprint..
Madness..more money than sense. ”
| ||Posted by What the, on 28-8-2012 10:23:13 PM|
Is that Nathaniel beaten 3L by SYT in the Champion Stakes. It seems form lines going in circles are making you dizzy. Your posts really are silly nowadays Patsy, there''s that childish bitterness again.
Still recycling the same old 123 Manighar argument you lost the first 6 times, sad.
Note to the administrator - Isnt it time the website hired some-one interesting to increase web chat ”
| ||Posted by iglesia, on 28-8-2012 10:18:56 PM|
Once again, Patsy, you seem to be having trouble getting to grips with the facts and have now resorted to making up fictional odds for fictional races. Let''s take a look at the facts, shall we? In AUSTRALIAN CONDiTiONS - fully acclimatised, fully mature, in a top yard, well-ridden, and racing on flat, hard tracks - Manighar was a massive success during the autumn, taking out Group One races at 2,000 metres (twice) and 2,400 metres. I am at a loss as to why you are so hell-bent on proving that anything that does well in Australia was some kind of basket case in Europe. Don''t get me wrong, I, too, am a big fan of horses like Danedream and Nathaniel but unless they were to come out here the fact is we don''t know how they would go. You cannot merely assume that just because a horse is a success under European conditions that it will be a success under Australian conditions. That is why it would have been great if Frankel had come out here for the Cox Plate, but that, too, is lost on you. You aren''t interested in the complexities of things and prefer to simply regard this country as some kind of pathetic backwater as far its racing is concerned. ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 28-8-2012 7:38:50 PM|
Over 2400m americains a camel compared to danedream..
camel compared to nathaniel..
camel compared to st nicholas abbey..
as is manighar..
as is drunken sailor..
1/2/3 BMW 2400m..im not talking about 3200m
Dunaden would be 3''s ON to beat Americain over 2400m wfa. ”
| ||Posted by Lo Pan, on 28-8-2012 4:43:35 PM|
Our staying races are dominated by europeans because now the aussie owner is targeting the correct horses that race well in our conditions and appreciate the way we train.
Look at all the well performed lloyd williams horses that have been huge flops out here. ”
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 28-8-2012 8:26:36 AM|
Lies, Patsy, just more lies, you really can''t help yourself can you? Manighar won his first five starts in France as a three-year-old, including two Listed races, and closed the season with a Group Two win at the Prix de l''Arc de Triomphe meeting and a Group One placing. Reappearing at four, he defeated Opinion Poll (who has been runner-up in the last two Ascot Gold Cup - Europe''s premier staying race!) and was narrowly defeated in the Prix Kergorlay by Americain (the best two-miler in the world in 2010). Speaking of Americain (who was runner-up in the Tancred which you rubbish) he was lucklessly beaten in the 2011 Melbourne Cup - giving a combined total of eight kilos to Dunaden and Red Cadeaux - who subsequently ran first and third in Hong Kong and haven''t been disgraced in anything they''ve contested this year - racing at level weights against some of the best horses in the world. How on earth you can construe that as "camel" form is beyond me. ”
| ||Posted by Josh, on 28-8-2012 7:17:50 AM|
Stupid statement georgina, Frankel doesn''t have to win 3 Melbourne Cpus to prove anything after all Black Caviar isn''t going to win 3 Melbourne Cups. ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 27-8-2012 9:04:20 PM|
The German horse that beat Nathaniel (BY A NOSE)
also beat So You Think by 5 lengths in last years Arc.
The horses going around running 1/2/3 in G1 BMWs are camels compared to that form.
| ||Posted by georgina, on 27-8-2012 7:15:37 PM|
Black caviar the best frankel only has 9 wins to go and some of those will need to be in handicaps breaking weight records.yeats couldnt get hot in melbourne cup.tulloch kingston town could frankel win 3 melbourne cups ?
Ratings are only an opinion and impossible to be acurate just go on the punt to understandthat.
Frankel has alot more to do to be above all of the above.yes he is a freak but there have been so many of them.so lets settle down and remember our past freaks. ”
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 26-8-2012 8:08:50 PM|
How about you start showing some consistency in your arguments? You want to argue Australian racing is weak because our best 2,400-metre weight-for-age race is taken out by a French horse, but you don''t apply the same logic when your best 2,400-metre race is taken out by a German horse! ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 26-8-2012 1:48:27 PM|
That''s a ridiculous stat, how many of those group ones were over 2000m/2400m?
Theres what 20 B Grade Euros taking on thousands of horses bred in Australia.
Good luck to Danedream Germany becoming a major force only adds to the competition in Europe.
Camelot,Danedream,Nathaniel,St Nicholas Abbey,Sea Moon etc all quality 2400m animals..
I have no allegiance to England particularly only that the form out of races like the King George/Coral Eclipse/Arc is the best form in the World.
The form out of BMW''s and Australian Cups is currently meaningless.
Your staying racing IS dominated by imports,and not the best ones.
You can come out with meaningless stats all you want,enjoy the spring.
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 26-8-2012 11:43:05 AM|
Nobody is arguing that the Australasian breeding industry is supplying world racing with dynamite stayers at the moment, but your obsession with a handful of results has been exposed as a fraud. The fact of the matter is that ex-European horses won a mere seven of Australia''s 68 Group One races last season. Seven of 68. The idea that European horses are dominating Australian racing is nonsense. Besides, why aren''t you running around bagging the distance horses in England and France, who have both been cleaned up a German filly? Oh, that''s right, England has the world''s best statying horses - when they''re not getting beaten by the Gerries! ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 26-8-2012 8:06:59 AM|
So how do you explain this years BMW G1 result
Noones doubting your sprinters but if you can''t see serious issues re the quality of your racing past a mile, the lack of top quality mares with staying bloodlines,the industry completely geared to speed speed speed..not 1 australian horse in the top 7 in your Melbourne Cup then your deluded.
If all horses eat the same grass and all horses have the same sires and same dam sires why no aussie bred in the first 7 on home soil in a melbourne cup..
Because stamina is a dirty word at the sales. ”
| ||Posted by ratings1, on 25-8-2012 1:44:35 PM|
Patsy,pay no attention to Anonymous. He''s the only person that I know "that can go to bed on his own,and wake up with lovebites" ”
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 24-8-2012 10:23:39 PM|
The fact of the matter, Patsy, is that the string of Australasian-bred Group One winners in Europe over the last decade have left in tatters the idea that your horses are superior to what we have here. Why would your horses be better than ours? In many cases, the sires and dam sires are the same! Do you imagine they grow up superior in Europe because they''re grazing on better grass or something? For goodness sake, Frankel''s little shadow, Excelebration, is by an Australian sprinter! Oh, and if your horses are so much better than ours, why are you standing Redoute''s Choice? ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 23-8-2012 9:37:22 AM|
Because European Racing past a mile in Kingston Towns day was FAR superior and is now just superior Krusty..
That''s not to say KT couldn''t win any race in any era but he was racing against poorer opposition than he would''ve faced in Europe..
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 23-8-2012 8:00:34 AM|
Now without doubt,the greatest horse racing at present (Black Caviar included). ”
| ||Posted by oldhand, on 21-8-2012 9:24:22 PM|
Well maybe freak is not a good word to describe these champions anyway.
Kingston Town, Tulloch and many others before and since; now Black Caviar and Frankel would best be described as just champions and leave it at that.
| ||Posted by Krusty, on 20-8-2012 10:15:35 PM|
Kingston Town is considered a "freak" but only has a rating of 137; people are entitled to question why Euro-freaks are always rated so much higher than freaks from other parts of the world ”
| ||Posted by oldhand, on 20-8-2012 1:19:03 PM|
You got to be joking, these clowns are too full of their own ridiculous ego''s to do that.
They have to argue and put forward their own opinions, when really they don''t have a clue or not many of them do.
Anyone that cannot admit that Frankel is a freak knows stuff all about racing anyway. ”
| ||Posted by What the, on 18-8-2012 11:50:18 PM|
The problem is Patsy that UK racing is full of lead horses not pacemakers. They cart their stablemates into the final straight for a "sit and sprint" like in Australian Racing.
As is the case with Frankel
Macca, apologies, the sourgrapes was intended for someone else ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 18-8-2012 8:46:04 AM|
I love pacemakers,makes for a truly run race..
not some crawl and sprint for horses that are 1400m/milers masquerading as 2000m horses because of the non stay factor prevelant in Australian racing. ”
| ||Posted by Tania, on 17-8-2012 8:19:05 AM|
People why argue over who is the best why not just enjoy the outstanding horses when they come along no matter where they are trained and celebrate this great world wide sport. ”
| ||Posted by Heads or Tails, on 16-8-2012 5:11:16 PM|
English racing cannot declare it''s self world class until they eliminate the roll of nominated pace makers to aid certain horses. The Australian system is horses must run on their merit and finish the best position possible,do not let the english or european pace makers into our system... ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 15-8-2012 11:13:10 PM|
More joyous is a horse that would undoubtedly be competitive with the likes of excelebration moonight cloud elusive kate golden lilac cityscape etc but who are these wonderful milers with amazing ability and proven wfa g1 mile winning form that warrants australian posters to question europes depth over a mile...
I have no doubt whatsoever that all 5 listed above would be amongst the faves for the biggest races in australia over a mile...the sad fact is even over a mile the depth in australia starts looking thin now..you''ll be calling that middle distance soon
| ||Posted by maccamax, on 15-8-2012 4:59:56 PM|
lol. Sour grapes ???
I virtually agree with you .
Champions or whatever, they are winning . I must accept that and realise I may have underestimated .... Thats unbiased reality. ”
| ||Posted by What the, on 14-8-2012 9:27:46 PM|
Your entitled to change your mind. To me it confirmed Excelebration is weak and the mile ranks are quite poor in Europe at the moment.
If Golden Lilac was in form and he beat her I would agree Excelebration is good, but its dismal that the second best miler in Europe almost got beat by a sprinter. So the line through Excelebration to support Frankel continues to be weak. Frankel is clearly a quality miler but the rest IMO are embarrassingly poor by Euro standards, so that 147 rating is definitely a furphy.
When a sprinter in Moonlight Cloud, who is a flop at the mile, is a closing 2L adrift after being hampered for a run just de-rates Excelebration even more as a miler. The fractions were slow and I believe the track has a substantial downhill section. Further undermining the mile credentials of Excelebration and helping MC get the distance. Which makes it clear why Frankel finds it easy to punish Excelebration, who is not a genuine miler and his ability has been questioned at running a strong mile.
No need for the sour grapes doodleloser ”
| ||Posted by maccamax, on 14-8-2012 11:11:05 AM|
What The ... Would have agreed with you 100% until the solid win of Excelebration in France 2 days ago .
I still feel the 147 is getting into silly territory but with egg on face I have to acknowlege Frankel is a lot better than we knockers have realised ... Wish they would pizz these pacemakers off and let him be credable in his wins. He doesnt need "mechanical aids" hanging over his head.
He is a champion in his own right. ”
| ||Posted by iglesia, on 13-8-2012 8:41:31 PM|
That''s right. It was Black Caviar''s 12th Group One win 19 months, and the second season in a row in which she won six Group One races; 11 of which were in open company and all 12 were against open-age competition. To put that in context, Kingston Town is widely regarded as one of the greatest Australian horses ever and his best Group One haul in a season was six (and mostly against his own age). ”
| ||Posted by maccamax, on 13-8-2012 7:27:05 PM|
We have to be unbiased when we Rate horses and expect we will get it wrong at times.
Any of us who doubted Frankel have to start by saying we have really underestimated him .
When you see 147 you are entitled to question it .. Frankel now has to Justify the rating ,
We all know now his form stacks up .... accept he is a special horse. ”
| ||Posted by imayankeedoodledandy, on 13-8-2012 2:06:45 PM|
What a bunch of losers.
"Weak overated Excelebration" just crushed moonlight cloud in France winning like a top horse.
There aint no debate dudes.Frankel may just be the best I saw. ”
| ||Posted by What the, on 12-8-2012 3:13:51 PM|
Surely you guys don’t believe that 147 rating? Only those that ‘have to or need to’ believe it. Its been the most ridiculed assessment ever seen.
Outside of the ratings number Frankel is seen as just another above average miler. Putting 20 lengths on the worse bunch of milers ever assembled in a G1 is a mute point, a field of pacemakers a worn out Helmet and one weak overrated Excelebration. This argument has been had before and the QA race was discredited. No-one bought that performance as anything other than a spectacle for the crowd.
I heard punter48 that 80K attended for the BC race in lieu of 42K for Frankel, the queen and the opening ceremony put together. The world recognises a real champion in BC compared to a local or some might say a paper champion.
When you see what BC had to overcome, irregular preparation, travel, new indifferent course, carried an injury, unfavourable ground, end of long campaign, bad ride. That brings any horse undone. After running 800m she barely let down at all and still won. Still beat Moonlight Cloud, touted as the best sprinter Europe has seen in a while, albeit the filly is French.
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 11-8-2012 8:37:44 PM|
One of the worst fields ever to contest the Jubilee? You are joking, right? The field contained Group One winners from Australia, England, Dubai, and France! Moonlight Cloud came out of it and won the Prix Maurice de Gheest (a Group One race) by five lengths. How on earth does that make it a poor field? ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 11-8-2012 3:27:29 AM|
"The bit you dont uderstand is outside the UK there is little or no interest in Frankel. ”
God that''s an awful post..simpleton stuff ”
| ||Posted by mugpunter48, on 9-8-2012 12:29:35 PM|
On what basis, What the, do you make the outlandish statement that twice as many people showed up to see Black Caviar than Frankel? And then to draw the ridiculous assumption that that makes her a world champion? You really have portrayed yourself as a jingoistic twit who has no appreciation for racing. ”
| ||Posted by Freddie, on 9-8-2012 8:40:31 AM|
Frankel is clearly the best horse in the world at present as we clearly saw at Royal Ascot with Black Caviar struggling to defeat one of the worst field to ever contest the Jubilee. ”
| ||Posted by What the, on 7-8-2012 8:44:53 PM|
Twice as many people turned up to see Black Caviar than Frankel, some from all over the world. Clearly declaring BC is considered a world champion as opposed to just a local.
Your bitterness is clouding your judgement Patsy and your appearing the frazzled one. The bit you dont uderstand is outside the UK there is little or no interest in Frankel. ”
| ||Posted by cosmonaut, on 7-8-2012 7:43:10 AM|
Ignore them patsy.
We all know frankels a wonderful horse
And that your staying races are full of much better stayers than ours.
And the comparison with nz racing is not worth a reply.
Your too easily wound up by ppl clearly wanting a rise out of you only. ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 5-8-2012 11:31:35 PM|
gawd more pommy bashing..what a surprise..
saying NZ racing is better now..
so bitter so sad..
I wish BC hadn''t been so upstaged by Frankel asit''s clearly frazzled the brains of so many...shame. ”
| ||Posted by Anonymous, on 5-8-2012 2:12:13 PM|
Frankel is obviously a "good" horse but to label him the best ever off a couple of runs beating what can only be described as moderate opposition is a laugh.. Funny how not one Australian horse is even near the top of the list and we''ve had our fair share of champions.. Who does these ratings again?? Oh that''s right they are British.. Haha explains the inflated ratings because they think that all there horses are the best in the world.. gosh every year Aidan obrien is telling us that one of his horses is the best they''ve had.. English racing is more of a joke than new Zealand racing and that''s saying something! And patsy patsy patsy you my friend are quite possibly the biggest joke on this site.. Franked has dodged all the 2000 metre races so far and now that Nathaniel and company have had a few tough runs they are going to step frankel up in distance!! Only now!! So when he beats a bunch of tired horses you guys can rate him even higher!! I can''t wait for the day that frankel wins his first race over 2000 metres beating 3 opponents including his pacemaker and is declared not only the most superior horse to ever grace a race track with an international rating of 150+ hahahaha my god you poms are twats!! ”
| ||Posted by What the, on 4-8-2012 9:46:10 PM|
Your response to my criticsm of Frankel is really quite lame and a clear sign of your relentless defence of the indefensible, your persistence Patsy to me and others is a sure sign of bitterness. You dont care what the twisted think but your care enough what I think to reply. One wonders why you persist with the same old recycled lines that have no merit anyway? I''m afraid the odd one is you Patsy, the odd one out that is.
While I usually disagree with the potty mouth, the fact you are quick to produce it yourself when your down makes me think you earn the copious amounts you have been served up over the years.
The fact still remains though Frankel is not half of what he is hyped up to be no matter what you post. ”
| ||Posted by maccamax, on 4-8-2012 8:18:14 PM|
A half fit , partying majority of holiday loonies we have sent to these Olympics that deserve to be named and shamed .... Beaten by well trained and skillfull opponents .Australia is facing facts.
NOW , face up to Frankel being an aero dyno assisted horse who will retire protected and a laugh. ”
| ||Posted by imayankeedoodledandy, on 4-8-2012 6:47:13 PM|
I''m american and this horse is a freak never seen anything like him since big red.
| ||Posted by Phelps, on 4-8-2012 1:49:58 PM|
Well actually Patsy I''m american and we are agreeing with the points put forward by our Aussie friends ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 4-8-2012 9:09:07 AM|
More bitterness from WHAT THE..
Hasnt lived up to the hype ?
I couldnt care less what the twisted think of frankel
Im not trying to convince anyone.
It jusr so happens the only criticism I can find anywhere
On the net of frankel comes solely from australians...how odd. ”
| ||Posted by What the, on 3-8-2012 10:17:29 PM|
The only one that seems bitter is you Patsy, you cant accept that Frankel has attracted factual criticism and rightfully so. Unfortunately the horse has not matched the hype nor his rating, somewhat of an anticlimax. In Aus most really couldnt careless about him so I''m not sure why you are trying to convince people.
When you read things like "and we''ve never shied away from a race" well that tells you even his trainer is false. Avoiding 2000m until now, that is odd or should we say obvious? ”
| ||Posted by patsy fagan, on 3-8-2012 9:20:26 AM|
More bitterness on this australian site...odd people. ”
| ||Posted by randyandy, on 2-8-2012 8:44:05 PM|
dont know about that Mr Reality, the rest of the world know where he is, they can go to him if they think they are good enough, bit like our Black Caviar, she travelled over there even though she didnt have to, racing for inferior prizemoney, with more to lose than gain, and only got there by a small margin, thankfully with her record intact
as a mare, it certainly wont make her any more valueable for breeding purposes
why would frankels owners risk his record by carting him off to a foreign country when he really has nothing to prove to anyone?
he could retire right now with his record intact and lose no respect, and certainly lose no value as a stallion, which is where is future is, not on the racetracks in japan
the problem is that he is too good, and has/will struggle to attract decent opposition, ala BC, as they dont want their hearts broken by him racing for 2nd prizemoney ”
| ||Posted by Mr Reality, on 2-8-2012 3:50:53 PM|
Local hero only, like their soccer team. Take him to Japan and he''ll get whipped ”