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Author: Khaptingly Timestamp:- 17/2/2008 8:01:45 AM Subject: Miss Finland is no good
Message: Way way back in Oct 2006 the forum was told by those that would listen that Miss Finland.
That was prior to her Cox Plate effort with 46kg. When she was unlucky in some punters eyes (those that foolishly backed her), you could hear the crys across the country. I just laughed.
Mind you I was not the only one to alert the forum. Camel did and a few others and that Purser guy did. (Give credit where it is due, Camel).
What I don't understand is, how could commentators, journalists and punters continue to support her in that Cox Plate and into 2007 and beyond. She is no good.
I love Miss Finland, I have layed her at various divs, 6 starts in a row. The first being my lay back on 22 Sep 07, as advised to this forum THE DAY BEFORE, as a hot favourite LOL.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 17/2/2008 9:37:06 AM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: You have layed her 6 times in a row.....what a coincidence, thats the same amount of odds on winners in a row Ive given you Khap......still havent heard Boo though!
Author: Protest Timestamp:- 17/2/2008 1:41:01 PM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: So what's your point krap*er? I don't think anyone said she would win yesterday, remember Apache Cat was the horse. I suppose the cats no good either? You have no idea.
Author: peeping fawn Timestamp:- 17/2/2008 3:43:30 PM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: Good work Khaptingly,the CURRENT Australian cricket side is also no good,key word being CURRENT,not relating to the previous champion Australian side which had the following great players in there prime ,Hayden,Steve Waugh,Gilchrist,Ponting,Warne,Mcgrath,Martyn.
Khaptingly 1 Miss Finland 0 Current Australian cricket side 0
Author: Pinkline Jones Timestamp:- 17/2/2008 9:21:33 PM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: That's correct. Finland needs to run in the correct class of race. Now if the Fiddle Creek Turf Club could be ever so kind as to bend the rules to enable this champion to lineup in one of their Maidens, we might see her get the old confidence back up.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 17/2/2008 10:22:08 PM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: Axl,
Didnt even know you tipped 4 to beat her before the Derby, the difference being that I took up the "ORIGINAL" challenge by Khap, hence we were conversing on the subject.
But as we all know Khap started to change the rules........regardless of playing the odds on comp or not, I have still proven that a punter can (maybe not always) but can win taking red odds, but do I hear (read) Khap acknowledging that?....no, of course not becuase he (you) are swamp doggies. 6 winners from 6 selections puts you ahead regardless of the stake mate.
If you like I will dig up Khaps original statement re: punters taking odds on.......lets see if it mentions racing in Australia only, V Tab only, Level stake only, etc etc.....these were all rules that evolved when I decided to take Khap on, but lets face it, he (you) shat themselves.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 18/2/2008 12:03:04 AM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: Miss Finland has a Slipper and a Oaks next to her name and will be worth plenty in the breeding barn..........whats your claim to fame Khap? How much are you worth? Yep, it does make you look silly, doesnt it.
Message: I wouldn't say she's no good - but she's not the same horse. Was fantastic in the ring on Saturday, better than I've ever seen her.
She's a Slipper and an Oaks winner - you can't take that from her. You can say that the others have caught up to her or that she beat a weak lot in the Slipper/Oaks and was never up to open grade, but I can't have that. Last spring she certainly was not disgraced at any stage. She is not as good as she was.
I hope she can perform over the mile, but I'm not holding my breath and will be staying out of any race featuring her until she is retired or shows some form. Saturday was ordinary, and after Saturday, I'm officially off the wagon. As the lunatics would say -
Author: jmf Timestamp:- 18/2/2008 12:22:47 AM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: A top two year old who in a sense had a lucky year but was still a very good two year old.
An outstanding three year old spring filly. Her Oaks victory was exceptional. She came out in the Autumn and did well but it emerged she couldn't run on rain affected tracks.
As an older horse well they should have retired her last start like Gold Edition. I reckon it is probably more an Arrowfield decision then David Hayes and anyone questioning his training ability needs to wake up to themselves.
Author: greyshot Timestamp:- 18/2/2008 12:51:56 PM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: AS I pointed out to Slim and other members of her fan club at the beginning of last spring it was unrealistic to expect her to improve as a 4 year old. The advantage she held as a 2 and 3 year old was maturity. She was ahead of her cohorts (of the same age). Some of them eventually caught up and of course there were other older open class horses waiting for her that could match her strength. Also of course as a 4 year old she lost her weight advantage. That Kiwi Kamakaze Pilot blew her only chance of ever winning a Cox Plate. Correctly ridden with that feather weight she could have stolen it.
A good judge told me recently that not a single son or daughter of Redoute's Choice has been able to win a race at any attempt after their sixteenth race start.
Can anyone confirm or refute this??
If it's true, it may well be a sign that Miss Finland is heading for thin ice.
She's already had 12 starts".
She actually won her 18th start first up as a spring 4yo but has been subsequently beaten at her next six starts.
Author: Phar Lap rules Timestamp:- 18/2/2008 2:21:41 PM Subject: Re: Miss Finland is no good
Message: She obviously had amazing ability as a 2/3 year old to be superior over the range of distances that she did. It was this that was probably her undoing. New owners thought she was so versatile could be trained for anything - why not a Melbourne Cup. At least they aimed high!!
I think she obviously has a lot of ability but was not trained for the races which would have best suited her, no criticism of Hayes he has to do as owners request. I doubt Jones & Arrowfield could keep their opinions to themselves! I do agree with other forum member that she was far more developed than fillies her own age when she was dominating her age group. Its a shame we haven't seen her performing as well as expected. What now? Is she retired???
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