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Author: alcove63 
Timestamp:- 10/11/2008 5:44:39 PM
Subject: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
Hi all

I noticed on TVN racing review yesterday that Steve Moran was having a gentle dig at the channel 7 coverage.

Did anyone bother to watch it except for when the races were on live?.

Personally the sight of Paddy Welsh tweaking the bookies board was enough for me to turn back to TVN the moment the races were run.

Any thoughts on how well or otherwise CH 7 did in their coverage.

Cheers

Alcove

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Author: horseracingpedia 
Timestamp:- 10/11/2008 6:51:13 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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No use having a bet in the run, they only showed the first 2 horses for 90% of the race
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Author: eachwaypunter 
Timestamp:- 10/11/2008 6:56:40 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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Not a bad job, but it could be a lot better.

I like Bruce McAvaney and the rotation of Simon Marshall and Richard Freedman with him. I think that works quite well. However, they underutilise Peter Donegan in the mounting yard who should do some pre race interviews with trainers or jockeys.

Better still, do what the BBC do with Royal Ascot and have McAvaney and Marshall/Freedman outside in the thick of the action. Moving around. It gets a bit dull seeing them sitting in a studio for 6 or 7 hours.

And despite Greg Miles being a great racecaller, I want 7 to find their own caller. The interaction between the caller and the hosts is missing. It seems like the cross to Miles as they're about to jump and chop him off as soon as the race ends - and then you dont hear him again for another 44 minutes!

They overdo the fashion and marquees, but no worse than Channel 10 ever did. And I think the VRC would want 7 to give them both some promotion - after all it gives VRC sponsors a free plug.

The camera on the grass about 600m did not work during the races. The chopper shot is great. If I had my way we'd see a full replay of each race from the sky - not just the last 300m. The speed radar gun is an interesting idea, I dont mind it - how accurate it is who knows?

What they do need is some new graphics - they've used those ones for about 5 years now.

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Author: badge4au 
Timestamp:- 10/11/2008 7:26:23 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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I watch TVN because its horse racing only. I understand that everyone is entitled to see the carnival and channel 7 had that job. But they dont do the same job as TVN because they are catering for the entire public. Not just the racing public.

My wife even commented on how we didnt get to see the normal parading of horses on TVN. That really sux. Channel 7 were interviewing celebrities for their tips instead. lol. They may have shown them but I only switched to 7 when I had to because I was watching the Sydney races and commentary. Its a pity they stopped TVN from doing their usual leadup to a race.

There was another thread earlier re the same thing.

Cheers.

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Author: bettowin 
Timestamp:- 10/11/2008 8:31:34 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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He has some balls calling the winner first time with all of Aus and 1/2 the racing world watching, hats off to him.
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Author: camel56 
Timestamp:- 10/11/2008 9:19:22 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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Channel 7 have tried using their own caller and it was a disaster. Wayne Wilsons call of the 2002 Cup would easily be the worst Ive ever heard.
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Author: alcimedes 
Timestamp:- 10/11/2008 10:35:44 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
Ch 7 coverage was more than adequate. Bruce is still a good host with a fine knowledge of racing. Not a fan of Simon Marshall, though. He seems like a really nice guy, but he seems to be a bit over the top & flowery with his commentary. Definitely should use Peter Donegan more, he's great.

I still think the Ch.10 coverage in the late-80's early 90's was superior. Mounting yard coverage of every horse (not just those in the market) for every single race. Back then Peter Donegan & Grahame Kelly (a journo) did the mounting yard comments. "Crackers" Keanan in the betting ring, John Letts doing jockey interviews from a much younger 'Banjo' and Dan Milecki calling the races.

Dan is a fantastic caller. Why has he not called the thoroughbreds over the past 10 years? Is he simply a hardcore harness racing fan?

ALCIMEDES (GB)

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Author: Khaptingly 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 7:05:55 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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I reckon Channel 7, 9, 10, TVN and Sky are all great, Their commentators and "experts" are all brilliant.

If you don't like what you see or hear, switch off or ignore them. They all have something to add. Well done.

They all obviously wanted to make it in the media and did.

Unlike camel and WCF who cannot even make a point thats useful on an internet forum.


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Author: seventhheaven 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 8:57:23 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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I don't want people to take this the wrong way but Simon Marshall has to be on some sort of illegal substance. . really.

I also do not like how the scour the field from leader to last on close up. You cannot see your horse get checked etc. If they are going to use this format they must split the screen in half to have a view of the entire field at the same time.

Wayne Wilson - Legend.

Broooooce - Legend.

Simon O'Donnell - Glorified punter. Doesn't know a thing about nags. Terry Henderson is 99% of OTI Syndicate. Simon is just the media boob.

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Author: Fat Back Pocket 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 9:04:00 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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I don't reckon Channel 7 did a bad job.

They have to find a balance between the things they reckon are going to make non-racing people tune in and I don't reckon they were too far off the mark.

And I actually watched quite a bit of it on Saturday because I had no interest in the Sydney races. As soon as TVN went to Sydney for their pre-race talk I switched it back to 7 and turned it back once the attention came back on Melbourne.

But I do feel for the TVN presenters and the conditions they were forced to endure during Cup Week.

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Author: Fat Back Pocket 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 9:07:16 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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Oh, and I forgot to say before, I know everyone is raving about Greg Miles's call of the Cup, but he wasn't the only one who called Viewed the winner "I think".
SEN had its own caller during Melbourne Cup Week and the young fella that did it - Brendan Delaney - also got it spot on.
It remains the only other call I've heard of the race other than Miles's.
Was a bit rough around the edges in comparison to Greg's, but the boy's only 23 and has a future I would think.

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Author: marbine 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 10:00:06 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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IMO the coverage was adequate. Why on Earth did they not cover the 1st race on Stakes Day? Oh, that's right, "It's Academic" was on, have to show that.

I was away on the weekend with no Foxtel so had to watch the coverage. What was the go with the "experts'" selections? They had a winning tip and a roughie tip. Half the time the roughie was about a 3/1 pop. Surely the experts aren't that dumb? Must have been a Ch7 thing.

I'm being picky here but you know what, if you're gunna do it, do it right. Ch7 stated at the start of the Stakes Day coverage that K.McEvoy was not riding for the day. No replacements were given but it was early. During the day, when going through the runners in the mounting yeard, they proceded to list him as riding, what the?

Can't stand Simon or D!ck Freedman but will always love Bruce.

p.s. Sonia Kruger must "be doing something right" somewhere. What is her purpose again??

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Author: SmileyBandit 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 10:27:56 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

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Firstly, what has Channel 7 EVER contributed to our glorious racing industry? Nothing, nada, zip. To pull the pin on the TVN/SKY Channel coverage is criminal after the efforts that they've both poured into racing week-in week-out.

I'm with most on here with the fact that I switched channel back to TVN the second the races finished so I missed most of the banter between races. But please see my thoughts on the actual race coverage below:

The coverage from Channel 7 was the most artsy-fartsy, useless cr@p I have ever seen. Channel 7 offered us close-ups of the pretty horse's faces, one-by-one, through the entire field and to top it off, a close-up of the horses hooves! WOW! That tells me all I need to know about how this race is being run!

The speedometer at the top left of the screen was a decent attempt at providing useful information, however I feel that sectional times, just like you get on the screen at the track, would be far more useful.

In saying that, who has the final decision on media exclusivity? Is it the VRC? If so, there needs to be some questions asked as to why it would forsake the two media outlets that have supported it all year.

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Author: jesaulenko 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 11:04:15 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
Alcimedes,

Ch.10 coverage late 80's/90's...

2 words...

Tim Webster...

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Author: seventhheaven 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 11:25:45 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
Actually, FYI, the radar is useless as it sits on the back of the car that contains the camera used to follow the field first through last.

Sectional times for people that actually understand them are 100% more useful in reading how quick a race is being run.

How does 50km/h help me when tryiing to figure out what's going on?

Through experience it's easy to see how fast they are travelling without the help of a radar, but cmon . . . 50 km/h. WTF is that?

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Author: seventhheaven 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 11:27:53 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
Alcimedes,

Great call and spot on.

Peter Donegan is fantastic and should be used more often.

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Author: tic 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 11:35:46 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
Well observed 7TH. Been saying this for years. Have a look at the eyes !!.He is however very smart, and has to be to mostly cover this up over time. What about the occassional slurrr?
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Author: Mr Lister 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 11:59:41 AM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
The job they did was ok. Can't stand watching all the interviews about fashion and the visits to the marquees but the sponsors demand that sort of stuff. The actual race coverage sh!tted me though. Too many close ups of the horses in the run and views from under the running rail and the car driving along side the track. Just give us the wide shots so we can see all the horses in the run and watch the ace develop.
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Author: nigeltufnel 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 12:28:59 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
It annoyed the cr@p out of me having to flick from TVN to 7 to watch a race live. If anybody can produce a reasonable explanation to me as to how this silly arrangement benefits anyone, I'll be surprised.

However, I didn't mind the speedo, or the slo-mo finish replay either.

As soon as that was done, I was back to TVN.


Nige

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Author: Bell Flight 
Timestamp:- 11/11/2008 12:51:55 PM
Subject: Re: channel 7 race coverage

Message:
Coverage was OK - but the fact that TVN got downgraded to a platform out the back of the track has a real stink about it from an industry wide perspective.
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