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Author: patsy fagan Timestamp:- 11/7/2011 9:54:28 AM Subject: Coral make Frankel 4-5 for Sussex showdown
Message: CORAL on Sunday became the first firm to go odds-on about Frankel in his eagerly awaited clash with Canford Cliffs in the Qipco Sussex Stakes at Glorious Goodwood.
Rival bookmakers make the unbeaten Henry Cecil-trained three-year-old a general 11-10 chance as he takes on the older brigade for the first time. And while Coral's price of 4-5 was comfortably the shortest odds available on Sunday, they did offer a substantial carrot for anyone wishing to side with Canford Cliffs. The firm make Frankel's market rival, who defeated Goldikova to notch three straight wins at Royal Ascot last month, an 11-8 chance, considerably bigger than any other bookmaker betting on the titanic duel on July 27.
The decision to be the only firm offering odds-on about the favourite follows another boost to Frankel's form lines after Dream Ahead took the Darley July Cup on Saturday.
Rated joint-best juvenile with Frankel last year, Dream Ahead was winning a third Group 1 when landing the Newmarket sprint and Coral's Dave Stevens said: "Dream Ahead's win in the Darley July Cup was just the latest performance to boost Frankel's form and, as far as we're concerned, Sir Henry Cecil's charge will be the one to beat if the ‘Duel On The Downs' takes place as all racing fans hope it will."
Oaks second Wonder Of Wonders was on Sunday backed to go one better in the Irish equivalent at the Curragh next weekend, with the filly cut for the Classic by Paddy Power.
Aidan O'Brien will be hoping for another big race victory, with his string continuing its fine form with Cape Blanco's win in America on Saturday and Power now offer 6-4 (from 13-8) with the firm expecting further support before Sunday's race.
Spokesman Paddy Power said on Sunday: "There's been a lot of cash today for Wonder Of Wonders, especially in our shops, and punters can't get enough of her at present. It's not inconceivable that she could go off at evens."
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 11/7/2011 8:00:03 PM Subject: Re: Coral make Frankel 4-5 for Sussex showdown
Message: According to the ratings Frankel was not in a different league- they were joint top rated Juveniles, and even if the ratings got it wrong surely they didnt get it 14 pound plus wrong (by a different league Im assuming we are talking a stone or more). The difference now appears that one is a sprinter whilst the other is a miler plus type.
Lets see if he can go on to great things, have seen some very impressive one off performances by Euro sprinters in recent years, Fleeting Spirit, Overdose, Kingsgate Native etc, but none have ever gone on with it.
Author: semi-pro punter Timestamp:- 12/7/2011 1:19:00 PM Subject: Re: Coral make Frankel 4-5 for Sussex showdown
Message: How is this horse rated 8 pounds superior to So You Think? He has raced no further than a mile,a distance, which by Patsy's own admission, the Euros are inferior. Never raced outside his own age group, an age at which So You Think won the Cox Plate at just his fifth start in a time second only to Might And Power.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 12/7/2011 6:34:45 PM Subject: Re: Coral make Frankel 4-5 for Sussex showdown
Message: No doubt Frankel is the superior animal from 7F up Patsy, noone would question that, but to say he is in a different league is plain wrong, well at least according to all the ratings. As I said one is a sprinter that is undefeated over 6F, the other is the premier miler+ 3yo.
Funny how you now mention stiff courses but refuse to acknowledge this point when discussing SYT defeating the Derby/Arc winner on a stiff course over 2000m!
Author: glencoe Timestamp:- 12/7/2011 9:45:26 PM Subject: Re: Coral make Frankel 4-5 for Sussex showdown
Message: All we can do now is wait.
We have the King George, then the Sussex, then the Irish Champion[probably SYT's next start], then the Arc, then the Breeder's Cup/Cox Plate. What this season has done:
Made a goose out of Khapster.
Given this forum unprecedented international coverage.
And it's all down to great horses.
So let's start predicting now.
King George....Whatever won the Hardwicke.
Sussex.....CC
Irish....SYT
Arc...Pour Moi
Breeders Cup Turf...Rewilding
Breeders Cup Classic...SYT
Breeders Cup Mile...CC
Breeders Cup Distaff...Goldikova
Cox Plate...Zipping, and Khaptingly finishes the year on a big note.
Author: quezacotl Timestamp:- 21/7/2011 2:15:01 AM Subject: Re: Coral make Frankel 4-5 for Sussex showdown
Message: Not long now chaps...the tension and anticipation is building..
Interesting listening to Tony Elves on at the races..
He was at Newmarket watching Frankel all this week and said that the horse stood out by miles to his eye compared to any other horse working..sometimes you just know when you are watching a real goodun', it's hard to put in words but you just know.
Personally it is this type of philosophy that has found me some lovely horse's to follow and back over the last 20 odd years.
I remember watching Shamrocker working with WECANSAYITNOW in the week leading up to the Australian Guineas, and I was incredibly taken by "something" in her work and her look, her movements...and this was just off the telly too mind you, again it's hard to actually pin down exactly what "it" actually is. I had a big soft spot for WCSIN after following her luckless prep in NZ and simply couldn't turn my back on her, so plonked on them both.
Again this captured something by the eye business rears it's head in last years Australian cup.. I was completely mesmerized by Cedarbergs run, and for the next few weeks could not stop thinking about it. I was too emotionally attached to Descarado in BMW..(he had won me so much in the Caulfield Cup) but my mind was relentless in reliving Cedarbergs Australian cup run, so again in the end backed them both.
The run that's buzzing around in my head now is Keys at Newbury the other day, fairdinkum I have no idea how that is going slot into anything punt related in the short term forseeable future..but you never know.
The week leading up to Makybe Divas first Melbourne Cup I could not stop saying her name over and over and over in my head..it was extremely distracting to be honest, it finally stopped once I backed her and she crossed the line 1st in what was to be the start of something historical.
If Tony Elves say's he saw something in Frankel that he can't explain, there is just something about the horse, say's he was the only horse at Newmarket that took his eye, commented his work was exceptional..then we may well do worse than cop the tip.
Thoughts on race tactics here guys...?
Can Frankel win if he leads and try's to break their hearts by chasing him down...or does he sit off and settle and eyeball CC and go when he does..?
MD old chap..if this race doesn't interest you as a race lover, then may I be so bold as to suggest you think about reducing your carbon footprint by...
-not bothering watching the race -going to bed early -turning the telly off (at the wall) -refrain from posting negative comments on it -meditate and clear your mind of it -save your energy for the Co2 emissions thread
That way you can honestly say that you are pro-active in reducing your Co2 output.
Frankel for me in the Sussex...new kid on the block scenario.
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