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Author: tigerrish Timestamp:- 25/10/2011 9:12:57 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: "waffle all you like with every passing day your being shown up by discarded imports.."
How many Gr1 WFA races have these discards won in the past couple of years? Only one that I know of.
The only ones they seem to be picking up are Listed/Gr3 country cups.
Ever think there might actually be more money to be made down here in staying races than the peanuts you race for over there?
Actually, maybe you could tell us why the best WFA horse in Europe was a NZ bred Australian horse this season and why the Arc was won by a German mare?
And your super horses, Workforce and Snow Fairy......11 start this season between them for zero wins.
Im not fussed that our racing beyond 2000m is ordinary, because racing in the UK on its own isnt so crash hot either. The French and Germans are beating you lot at your own game.
Instead of riding on the coat-tails of the rest of Euro, has some balls and talk about English horses as your own.
Author: GeoffreyPudding Timestamp:- 25/10/2011 9:50:20 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: What a foolish statement. Sure, our stayers are average - which is exactly what would be expected from a country which focusses breeding on sprinter-milers. Said sprinter-milers are world class though. Only a fool would deny that. So I question why this small country of 20 million would be too concerned about the state of racing in our nation.
The backwater UK racing industry is what requires addressing with haste. Sure there are some outstanding events - Ascot is truly world class - but for the most part, five horse fields with two pacemakers, racing around with monkeys on their backs, circulating corn fields for first prize of a 50% off voucher at Tesco, and for the viewing pleasure of seven spectators, does not produce envy.
Author: saintly1996 Timestamp:- 25/10/2011 9:58:31 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: No, Patsy is not right at all. The only Group 1 staying event so far this season (CC) was won by an Aussie mare against a field full of internationals and imports.
The two races won by the French horses were not Group 1's, and were only against horses trying to qualify (ie the ones way down the order), the better credentialled horses are already qualified and have their grand final next week (except for a few going through the Lexus this Saturday).
How did the internationals go in the CC?
How did Glass Harmonium go in the CP?
How did the Ebor winner and his stablemate go the other Saturday (when you did 200 on it)?
Two French gallopers win and you think you are dominating, how have all English stayers gone so far? LOL
Get a grip mate, nothing has changed at all. Some will win, but most won't.
Author: Affliction Timestamp:- 25/10/2011 10:58:42 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Agree!!! I live in Auzzie and the Australians are sooo full of themselves!!! They are a lot like the Americans arrogant and stupid!! Also lazy with no work ethic whatsoever!!!
If you want to have a good time and a laugh etc you have to hang out with the English, Irish or Kiwi lads!!!
Get your s**t sorted Auzzie including your breeding industry!!! The race that stops a nation is not the Golden Slipper!!! Phhhh who introduces carbon tax what a joke!!!
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 3:05:44 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Patsy doesnt understand that the most G1 races around the world now are from 1600m and below. Australian racing proudces world class horses at these distances and have won G1 races around the globe at these distances.
The MC and CC are wonderful events, but at the end of the day they are glorified handicaps and have been for many a year.
In England we have the worse prize money in the world and by such a margin it is seriuosly not funny. We have trainers and riders refusing to nominate or ride in certain races due to the dire prize money. And now we have the BHA bring it some of the most ridiculous whip rules ever seen.
When were these rules brought in you ask? Two weeks prior the running of the very first champions day. You couldnt time it worst if you tried.
Why were the brought in? To appease a small minority who couldnt give a toss about racing.
Who were they brought in by? People who have never sat on a horse.
What is the resulted outcome? We now have Irish/French riders refusing to ride in England and the Jockeys Associateion threatening strike action.
As several media types and posters have commented in the Racing Post recently- England racing at the moment is the laughing stock of the world- is it any wonder they have turned to an Australian to sort out this diabolical mess!
Author: Rockettt Mannn Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 9:37:47 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: The high end of our handicappers are down there at the moment Patsy.
Racing against the Aussie handicappers, under handicap conditions...
I don't know how any nations superiority is being proven at this point???
Good horses here are good horses there and vice versa.
So You Think has beaten Snow Fairy, Workforce and gone past Nathaniel like he was nailed to the floor so I'm not so sure that our horses are any better than those down under.
Author: patsy fagan Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 9:40:16 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Weight Special,your the man mate,you know your stuff.
"Mamool had a really bad injury to his ankle in Australia and suffered ligament damage as well as bone damage - it certainly looks as if he might not race again," Crisford said.
Author: patsy fagan Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 10:02:09 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Racing against the Aussie handicappers, under handicap conditions...
THESE ARE THE ABSOLUTE BEST STAYERS IN AUSTRALASIA.HORSES THAT WOULD BE TARGETTED AT AN ARC OR A JAPAN CUP..IT JUST SO HAPPENS THEIR BEST STAYERS ARE THE SAME LEVEL AS UK HANDICAPPERS.
So You Think has beaten Snow Fairy, Workforce and gone past Nathaniel like he was nailed to the floor so I'm not so sure that our horses are any better than those down under.
HES 100 TIMES BETTER THAN ANYTHING THEY HAVE OVER THERE,ONE OF THE BEST THEY'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 20 YEARS AND IS NO REFLECTION ABOUT THE STATE OF THEIR STAYING RACING.HE WAS UNBEATABLE IN AUSTRALIA AND THATS NOT THE CASE IN EUROPE.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY ROCKET MAN IS AN INDICATION OF THE STRENGTH OF SINGAPORE RACING.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 10:10:17 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Yes and when people said the stars come out in the spring, they weren't talking about handicap racing Patsy. Don't you understand what a handicap is? Why do you think both champions and working class type horse have won the MC?Basic stuff to be getting wrong champ.
Author: Zed Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 10:32:53 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Europe have sent over horses that have either won or been placed in the Arc along with champion (in European terms) stayers, in Yeats and Septimus, as well as boat loads of other good horses yet have only managed to win the Melbourne Cup on a couple of occasions.
They also tried and failed to win Australias' premier weight for age race with Grandera, who at the time was the best horse in Europe.
Considering that in a time when the Australian racing industry is so heavily geared towards sprinting european horses are still unable to dominate the feature staying events it is frightful to think what would happen if the breeding industry shifted its focus towards stayers. All of Europe should pray that it never happens.
Patsy, I know you are having a little fun but you must admit that european racing is abit of a joke.
Your feature events attract small fields, including pacemakers, and no prizemoney along with the fact that most of your good horses are retired before they are truly tested.
You were so quick to take delight in So You Think getting beaten by Cirrus Des Aigles that you didn't take stock of the farcical state of racing overthere where a horse that can lay claim to being one of the best middle distance horses in Europe was unable to compete in the premier race due to him being a gelding. To think that great horses like Might And Power, Saintly and Northerly would not be allowed to run in Europes major race is ridiculous.
Also, didn't you say that if Lucas Cranach was within 6 lengths on the turn in the Caulfield Cup he would win easily?
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