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Message: How the hell do these blokes do it. Out in no mans land smokin a pipe in two of the biggest races you would want to win. Don't give me any excuses for these morons. Both of them had plenty of horse under them at the finish. They were just incompetent and if I owned either horse I would like to twist their bloody ears until they looked like rugby players. On the other hand how good were Nash R. and Luke N. I am just fuming white hot They should get rubbed out for idiocy a first year apprentice could have done better.
Author: muirfield Timestamp:- 7/4/2012 5:24:39 PM Subject: Re: mosse or newitt the noose
Message: I told you guys back last Nov that he murdered Americain in the Cup.
None of you guys believed me. Well I backed Manighar to beat him in the Aust Cup and BMW and the rest is history.
Whether he is as good as Americain Manighar is a champ and well and truly back in my good books after I famously declared him for the 2010 CC. I knew that both he and Americain were good after watching their o/s quinella.
Author: mozza707 Timestamp:- 7/4/2012 7:40:19 PM Subject: Re: mosse or newitt the noose
Message: newitt got samaready too far back, mistake, but forgivable. mosse on the other hand has done that for a second time, kept americain three wide for no reason instead of dropping it back to last, lost it the mc and now the bmw, should be hung from the highest pole. i also still cant believe they fly this brain dead id!ot half way round the world to ride it. unforgivable.
Message: Mosse- Melb Cup (I backed Americain) and BMW (Happily I backed Manighar), should be banned from re-entering Australia for the purposes of riding horses.... dreadful on both counts, although I was pretty happy today.
Author: oldhand Timestamp:- 7/4/2012 9:48:34 PM Subject: Re: mosse or newitt the noose
Message: mozza707, Maybe he has shares in the horse as your question has me guessing what other reason. Well his both two rides on it has cost them plenty. What did Arnold do so bad on it last start or wasn't he available.
Great win by Manigar.
Newitt got left in the gates eaunderwood, watch the replay. What was he going to do, burn its guts out to get it up with them early, it would not have run second if he had, in a field that smart it was beaten at the gates! was not the fault of C Newitt.
Message: 'I told you guys back last Nov that he murdered Americain in the Cup.'
'None of you guys believed me.'
Muirs, Blind Freddie saw that Mosse's ride on Americain in last years Cup was a shocker. Stop talking yourself up as some kind of racing guru and name these 'guys' who disagreed with you that Mosse butchered Americain in the Cup.
I'll give you $100 for every poster you find who disagreed, if you'll give me $100 for every poster I find who agreed!
Author: doosra Timestamp:- 8/4/2012 9:38:53 AM Subject: Re: mosse or newitt the noose
Message: Mosse was a shocking ride but Newitt didn't do anything wrong, it was not his fault the filly missed the jump - that's just the luck of racing. Especially two year old racing!
As the oft-quoted saying goes they are not machines, too bad that fact seemingly hasn't dawned on G Mosse yet, he rides Americain as if the horse is powered by pistons and not lungs and heart. He is a great stayer and has incredible stamina which he proved yet again yesterday, he is probably the only horse in the country who could have finished in the placings after receiving that inglorious ride.
Beats me why they stick with a jockey who clearly has not adapted to Aus racing conditions.
Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 8/4/2012 10:21:14 AM Subject: Re: mosse or newitt the noose
Message: As someone who backed Americain in last year's Melbourne Cup, but switched to Manighar for the BMW, I nearly fell off my chair with laughter when they showed the relative positions of the two horses heading up the back of the course - and there's Mosse out in no-man's land and Manighar getting the run of the race near the lead. Priceless.
Message: Mosse has an Arc and Melbourne Cup win to his credit as well as having cracked the 500 wins mark in Hong Kong. He is an excellent rider. Reckon the criticism is a bit overcooked. It wasn't a champagne ride by any means yesterday but being trapped wide was always a possibility given the lack of speed. Mosse must have been confident that his bloke could still do the job. Manighar was going very strongly at the finish mind you. I don't think Americain was any certainty beaten.
Author: muirfield Timestamp:- 8/4/2012 4:49:20 PM Subject: Re: mosse or newitt the noose
Message: Count Chivas,
Others can disagree, but coming up to 10 years of consistently tipping winners in big races on here (Pierro [$7] & Manighar [$4] yesterday), and lays (Samaready [$2.80] & Americain [$2.50] yesterday), spells racing guru to me.
Don't know why people are bagging Newitt's ride. It was a great ride. Thought it was funny before the race with her connections saying what a great barrier it was? Very similar run to Alinghi from a similar barrier. From memory both won the Blue Diamond and Reisling as favourites, then run third as favourite for the Slipper. If she goes on to be half the horse Alinghi was she has a bright future.
Message: OK a bit harsh on Newitt on retrospect missed the kick . Sorry Craig. But I worked out the riding plan Mosse uses. He talks it over with the owner and the owner says "Just remember your pulling a Jayco give the cars room to pass on the inside and keep your Jayco out on its own so everyone can see you coming. Viva la france
Author: geelong63 Timestamp:- 9/4/2012 9:22:11 AM Subject: Re: mosse or newitt the noose
Message: David Hayes on the Americain ride. Gotta love the dry wit: 'He thought the ground might have been a bit firm but Americain finished off ok after running the 2600m.'
The owner was a bit more forthcoming - a bit harsh perhaps:
Furious part-owner Kevin Bamford said Mosse's association with Americain, the horse he partnered to win the 2010 Melbourne Cup, is finished following a ride in Saturday's BMW that drew wide-spread condemnation.
While there's a likelihood that Americain may run in the Group 1 Queen Elizabeth Stakes, Mosse will not ride the horse.
"I think it's a given that Gerald will not be coming back," Bamford said. "He will never ride the horse again. It was a dismal effort."
Bamford said he refused to speak to Mosse after he sat three wide, then ran into a pocket at the top of the straight before finishing well to finish second behind Manighar.
He said Mosse had two choices - ease back to gain cover or move forward outside the leader - but he chose to "sit out on a limb for a mile and a half (2400 m).
"The horse was magnificent. Stephanie (Nigge, the horse's personal attendant) and David (Hayes) had done a wonderful job, he couldn't have been any better. And you get some cowboy who in a minute and a half destroys all that hard work.
"If you knew anything about Rosehill you know you can't sit three wide for a mile and a half (2400 m)."
Bamford said a case could be mounted that Americain, also luckless when fourth in last year's Melbourne Cup and third in the Australian Cup, should be unbeaten throughout his Australian career. He said a decision on starting Americain in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000 m) at Randwick on the final day of the Sydney carnival would be made in consultation with the owners, Hayes and Nigge.
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