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Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 6/5/2012 9:13:56 PM Subject: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: Interested in people's thoughts on whether Australian and New Zealand trainers are finding it particularly difficult to produce their horses in top shape in Hong Kong. Today - albeit after a wide run - King's Rose dropped out very quickly in a performance that looked like that of an unfit horse; not unlike that of Jimmy Choux in December. Alternatively, if the horses in Hong Kong are superior to those we have here, can we expect them to come down and win, say, the Stradbroke or the Cox Plate?
Author: kidlat Timestamp:- 7/5/2012 7:58:37 AM Subject: Re: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: I realise there has to be more to it than this but personally I don't like Sha Tin. One of those American style tracks that accommodates it's very long straight with very tight, turning bends (the circumference is only about that of Moonee Valley's). The 1200m course is particularly tricky. Local jockeys perhaps?
Author: Rambo Timestamp:- 7/5/2012 8:50:59 AM Subject: Re: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: Always hard to beat the local sprinter/milers in HK. Usually tough Aus/NZ bred geldings that reproduce year after year.
Kings Rose was never a chance. Outside barrier and you need to take a top line horse to win the HK Mile, and she has never been that. Sometimes I can't fathom how much money Aussies are willing to punt on a local horse running overseas. She started at ridiculously short odds.
Author: Racing Carrot Timestamp:- 7/5/2012 11:15:31 AM Subject: Re: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: Going to HK and beating their 1200-1600m horses is very hard, even moreso this race than International day where having 1200/1600/2000m races tends to split their depth up.
Their stayers are usually fairly weak so the Cup and Vase in December are much easier tasks for imports. There's basically no point in buying a decent 2400m horse to train in Hong Kong as they're even more sprint-happy than Queensland.
Neither Jimmy Choux nor King's Rose went there in top form nor with ideal preps. Even in top form they'd find that company tougher than the NZ/Aussie races they'd run in over the past year.
Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 7/5/2012 1:10:12 PM Subject: Re: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: I suppose the thing that seems odd here is that the Australasian horses that have gone to Europe have in the main done extremely well, yet they don't seem to fire in Hong Kong. I suspect it is something to do with the hit-and-run nature of the Hong Kong visits, whereas they seem to be given a lot more time to acclimatise in Europe - including being given to local trainers. The failure of the Australasians in Hong Kong reminds me of the clueless Melbourne Cup missions of the 1990s of European trainers such as Mark Johnston.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 8/5/2012 9:10:10 AM Subject: Re: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: Oh no- you didnt just say that did you Khappo. Ive never seen anyone hi-light how clueless they are as much as you do. You really have no idea what goes on outside your local TAB do you champ.
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Timestamp:- 7/5/2012 5:42:59 PM Subject: Re: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: I agree she was not the type of horse to win over there.
For a start she was not bred in the Northern Hemisphere.
Fancy thinking a donkey from this end of the world could win.
Author: Weight Special Timestamp:- 8/5/2012 1:09:22 PM Subject: Re: Australasians in Hong Kong
Message: HK horses are usually 1-3 lengths inferior. Some of these horses sent there were losing here and their missions were rushed or at the end of their campaign.
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