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Message: Well it was another great game this round but was it worth the money long term for Richmond to sell their home game? I think not and Richmond kissed another winnable game down the dunny with 4 points. I would have rather played the Gold Coast at the MCG in the cold Melbourne Winter and walked away with 4 points.
Did you go Tiger and what was it like at ground level? A cracker of a game I would suspect?
Message: I'm a Richmond supporter and quite frankly - very disapointed.
Mind you though the margin was only 2 points and regardless of where the game was played, Richmond should of won. But "Should of" gets teams no where, only winning does. Richmond didn't win and that was the story right there.
Question has to be asked though - why did they sell this home game. Richmond did it twice last year - against Port Adelaide at TIO Stadium in Darwin where they lost by 15 points and then at Cazaly Stadium against Gold Coast where they lost by 14 points. Then come the 2012 season and Richmond decide to sell another home game, against Gold Coast.....to be played at Cazaly Stadium and they lose by 2 points.
I mean do Richmond really need the money? As far as I'm concerned, if a home side is playing at home on thier home ground, then that's how it should be - on thier home deck, not selling games at all.
Very annoyed and disapointed and in the final 2 minutes of that game, Richmond just fell asleep. Not good enough.
Message: Lister North as you said last year North needs the cash as they have a poor supporter base. If Richmond start winning and look like playing off in the finals they will stadiums. Then the cash starts rolling in and no need to sell off home games for money. The Richmond supports are a sleeping giant and will come out in droves when they start winning.
Richmond again gave away their home ground advantage and got rolled and lost 4 points in doing so. I would have rather played the Gold Coast down here on a cold Melbourne winters day. Instead they took the Gold Coast on in their element in a hot warm climate that the Cost boys are used to and could use to their advantage.
Author: tigerrish Timestamp:- 15/7/2012 3:19:24 PM Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
Message: I was there and it was painful to watch that last 5 mins.
The ground was dry, it was humid and warm early on. But once the lights went on and they got into the second half any wind assistance dropped off and it was cooler.
The conditions were perfect, the ground was excellent and the Tigers had huge support and they all came into full voice midway through the last quarter when the Tigers got out to an 18 point lead and were playing ok.
Then they choked, dropped easy marks, handballed poorly and failed to stop the Suns moving the ball freely.
They could have played at Punt Rd and still lost, thats how poorly they gave the ball up regularly in the last 7 or 8 minutes.
We lost to Fremantle a few weeks ago, on a cold wet day at the MCG so I dont cop this "we should have played at the MCG" rubbish. The players werent tired and sapped of energy, the conditions didnt help the Suns any more than it did the Tigers.
Simple fact, Richmond were fundamentally outplayed in the last half of the last quarter, they didnt run out of puff, they choked. But they did themselves no favours by playing poorly in the first half.
Too many Richmond supports are blaming moving their home games for the loss and thats a cop out for a poor effort both on and off the field. Two years in a row Richmond have approached this game halfheartedly and both times they got beaten.
Author: tigerrish Timestamp:- 15/7/2012 3:36:05 PM Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
Richmond signed a deal to play their home game against the Suns for three years, so they will play in Cairns again next year.
I'd suggest the writing was on the wall after the Freo loss, they struggled to beat GWS and Melbourne.
As Lister pointed out, Nth trade their home games and so do Hawthorn. Nth were in the same situation as Richmond, the neutral support in Canberra would have been given to GWS, just as it happens in Cairns with the Suns.
The difference is that Nth as a team were good enough to do what was expected no matter where they played and that was to win and win well. And thats just what they did.
Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 15/7/2012 6:18:40 PM Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
Message: Far out, the Tiger fans out there who there who think they wouldn't have lost to a poor outfit at the MCG obviously have a pretty short memory: It was only last month that they lost to Fremantle!
Message: Tiger it was a good game to watch and I agree the Richmond players didnít help their cause with their skill errors. But I feel the climate might have had a little to do with that and you make mistakes when you are tired. Therefore I disagree with you on what effect the locations and the conditions would have had on the Richmond players, compared to the Gold Coast boys.
I played senior footy in Darwin and it the conditions take plenty out of you and it takes time to acclimatize to the conditions. As you stated the ground was dry and it was warm and humid. Then it cooled down later in the night something you are used to day in and day out. The Richmond lads have been used to quite cold days and nights this time of year, nothing like up in Cairns. The Gold Coast lads would have had a distinct advantage there as they would be used to training and playing in the warmer conditions. Bring them down here into the colder conditions and the advantage swings towards Richmond.
May I ask when you come back to Victoria for visits in the winter do you find it much colder than up
Author: Mr Lister Timestamp:- 16/7/2012 8:41:44 AM Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
Message: West Coast, unfortunately Richmond do need the money. Like North they are millions in debt. The issue isn't about selling the game in my opinion but more so about how this once mighty club could let the same thing happen, albeit in worse circumstances, that happened last year. Losing to the worst team in the comp after being 18 points up with less than two minutes to go. You'd think they would have been absolutely meticulous in their planning and strategy to not allow it again. I know injuries and suspensions have not helped but it's very disappointing.
Lindsay Fox is a self made millionaire. I heard him on ABC radio with John Faine one day in a great interview. He was asked if there was any advice he had for aspiring people.
He said yes. Remember your mistakes. Celebrate them. But NEVER repeat them.
Message: Igesia I think you and many others under rate Fremantle this year. Freo have had a few injuries to some very good players and have had to adjust to a new game plan under a new coach. Fremantle have beaten some handy sides above them and will be fighting it out for the same territory on the ladder as Richmond this year.
Richmond have also beaten some very good sides above them and I think what I am trying to get at is it worth selling the home ground advantage when you need every win to reward the faithful supporters that have been teased for so long? If Richmond get in to the finals you just wait and see the yellow and black come out in droves
If Richmond start winning and look like playing off in the finals they will stadiums. Then the cash starts rolling in and no need to sell off home games for money. The Richmond supports are a sleeping giant and will come out in droves when they start winning
Winning.. Finals.. When
I potted Richmond after Round 1, they were the only AFL CLub of the 18 that I was confident wouldn't make the Finals
I gave GWS more chance that Richmond after Round 1
Richmond and Finals
Most of there supporters will be Well DEAD and cremated by then,,, Won't be able to afford Burial..
Look no further than the administration and playing List...
Don't believe the Media hype that is put out every year, on how good Richmond will be
Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 16/7/2012 1:29:42 PM Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
Message: Fremantle do have some good players, but generally play very poorly in Melbourne, and, sadly, the fact that the Tigers couldn't get over the top of them in those circumstances has proven to be something of a harbinger. We limped home against the Greater Western Schoolboys; barely beat Melbourne; squandered a big lead against the Crows; and now let the Suns snap a 22-game losing streak - a streak that began after they beat us last year! This form is nowhere near the level we were at eight weeks ago - when we thumped the Swans and Hawthorn and defeated St Kilda for the first time in almost a decade. These sorts of pathetic, inconsistent efforts are reminiscent of the Wallace era. Unlike a lot of Richmond fans, I think he was quite a good coach. But neither he nor the current coach has been able to turn around the lazy attitude that leads to all these poor showings.
Author: tigerrish Timestamp:- 16/7/2012 2:53:46 PM Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
Not even the Richmond coach is buying into the home game switch excuse, he rightly pointed out to simple skill errors is where they went wrong.
I could cop the excuse that the heat got to them if they started hard and slowed down, but they didnt. At the 25 minute mark of the second quarter they'd kick 2.3 to 7.9 and the match wasnt even half over.
And those that say Freo were a decent side for Richmond to take on need to look at their form coming into the game at the MCG. It wasnt at all good and nor was their record playing at the MCG.
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