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Author: santo Timestamp:- 24/7/2003 11:53:28 AM Subject: The Best Race Ever!
Message: Recent discussion about the depth of WFA stars racing now vs. previous years got me thinking. For mine the 1992 Cox Plate was the best field ever assembled and showed there was a lot more depth around at the time.
1. Super Impose - 8 Gr1 inc Cox Plate, 2 Doncaster and 2 Epsoms. ($5.6 mil) 2. Better Loosen Up - 8 Gr1 inc Japan Cup, Cox Plate and Mackinnon. ($4.7 mil) 3. Let's Elope - 4 Gr1 inc Caulfield Cup, Melbourne Cup and Australian Cup. ($3 mil) 4. Naturalism - 3 Gr1 inc AJC Derby and Rosehill Guineas. ($3.2 mil) 5. Rough Habit - 11 Gr1 inc Caulfield Stakes and 2 Stradbroke's. ($3.8 mil) 6. Sydeston - 4 Gr1 inc Caulfield Cup, Caulfield Stakes and BMW. (3.1 mil) 7. Kinjite - 3 Gr1 inc Epsom, Spring Champion and George Ryder. ($2.2 mil) 8. Slight Chance - 6 Gr1 inv VRC Oaks, QTC Oaks and Flight Stakes. ($1.7 mil) 9. Burst - 3 Gr1 inc Golden Slipper, Sires Produce and Champagne Stakes. ($2.1 mil) 10. Prince Salieri - 2 Gr1 inc Underwood and Castelamine Stakes. ($1.3 mil) 11. Mannerism - 4 Gr1 inc Caulfield Cup, Futurity and SA Oaks. ($1.7 mil) 12. Coronation Day - 2 Gr1 inc George Main and Spring Champion from 12 starts. ($0.5 mil) 13. Muirfield Village - Gr2 Hill Stakes and 2nd Gr1 VRC Derby and SC Stakes from 8 starts. ($0.3 mil) 14. Palace Reign - 1 Gr1 Caulfield Guineas and Gr2 Feehan Stakes and Memsie Stakes. ($0.5 mil)
That's a total of 56 Group 1's and $34,185,521 million during their careers.
Can anyone think of a better field? I know it wasn't the perfect race with Palace Reign falling and Naturalism and Sydeston losing their riders, not to mention the numerous protests including the Better Loosen Up vs Let's Elope protest being upheld, but it certainly was competitive and bought together more champions in one field than ever I reckon.
There have been some very good 3yo fields over the years too but Open Class is a better indicator of depth.
For the record surely the year that Octagonal, Saintly, Nothin Leica Dane and Filante clashed as 3yo's would have to go down as one of the best.
Similar threads have been ran in the past and I have always listed the '92 Cox Plate as the best race I have seen.
It really did have everything, with a massive pre-race build up, great horses like BLU and Let's Elope going head for head down the straight, and then G.Hall pulling out the toughest horse in the field for one last crack.
It just doesn't get any more emotional than Super Impose lifting over the last 50 to grab Let's Elope right on the line.
The early race dramas were unfortunate but only served to build the sense of drama. Whether or not BLU should've won also only adds to the mystique of the race (although it's a tragedy that we'll never know, I can still see S.Marshall on the horse after the race with tears running down his cheeks).
I have been to many feature race meetings, including a number of Melb Cups and Golden Slippers, but the sense of exhiliration in the public grandstand that day was absolutely unmatched, it genuinely felt like the stand was rocking.
The great Cox Plates are hard to beat. Other great ones in the past decade include the Octagonal/Mahogany finish, the Northerly/Sunline/Viscount finish and the Saintly/Filante/All Our Mob finish. Go back a little further for Bonecrucher/Our Waverley Star and Kingston Towns third win.
Have to also recognise the dominant performances of Dulcify, BLU, M&P and Sunline, emphasising their dominance and the "grand final" nature of the race (which handicaps can not offer).
As a sideline, I remember that TISM had a song called "the 1992 W S Cox Plate", but I have never heard it. Can anyone on this forum enlighten me, I have always been curious.
Message: you don't necessarily need a great race to get a great contest.
i.e. Flotilla holding Beau Zam to a neck for the last 3 furlongs at warwick farm. Might have been the apollo I can't be sure. I am sure Beau Zam was odds on and Denham's punters went bang on Flotilla and pushed it in from 3's to 7-4.
Zedative's William Reid where Vo rogue was first up and fat as a pig. Coming to the turn Vo was leading but feeling the pinch and Special moved up on him. She pinched about a neck to half length on him and then he dug in and came back on her (the course erupted !) and got a neck on her with a 100 to go. Zedative dropped his pipe he was smoking and picked him up with 20 to go. Zedative was going flat out to beat vo and Special went on to win the newmarket.
Vo, the heart of a Lion and how many times did the Hayes send out a pacemaker to try and break him for their first string horse to swoop. Never worked but didn't stop them trying. Kings High can kiss my ass.
p.s. Ethereal's Oaks win- sheer impossibility.
Cole Diesel's tramway- the tape has to be slowed down to actually catch him.
Author: AJC Timestamp:- 24/7/2003 10:31:30 PM Subject: Re: The Best Race Ever!
Message: Would love to see a comparison done between the field of 1992, and the field of 2002. This comparison could be based on group 1 victories, prizemoney won etc.
Also if anyone had enough time would be super keen to see just how much money the field in 1992 would have earned if compared to the same prizemoney amounts available to the 2002 field, lets say over the past 4 years.
IE, if Natuarlism won 6 races in 1992, and his prizemoney totalfor those races equalled 700,000....what then would those same 6 races have earned him had he won those eqivalent races in 2002?
It is in this way the we will truly see just how wonderful the field that jumped in the cox plate of 1992 really was.
Author: karnage Timestamp:- 24/7/2003 10:18:51 PM Subject: Re: The Best Race Ever!
Message: Best Melbourne Cup: Doriemus carrying a fairly hefty weight and coming at Might and Power down the Flemington straight in the 1997 Melbourne Cup.
Best Cox Plate: Sunline braining them in 2000.
Best Caulfield Guineas: Gauci bringing Lonhro from last on the turn and running away with it on the line.
Best Golden Slipper: Shane Dye's fourth on the trot. I think it was Prowl.
Best Derby (Vic and AJC): Octagonal, Nothin' Leica Dane, Saintly etc. Say no more.
Best BMW: The two horse war (Northerly vs Freemason). Showed us what horse racing was all about before the mickey mouse Golden Slipper.
Best finishing go: Rubitano's newmarket (2002). Rubitano won on the flat side by a nose to Mistegic and North Boy in the middle of the track. The horse I backed ran 8th on the grand stand side beaten only three quarters of a length.
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