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Author: Rex Timestamp:- 29/5/2012 4:50:58 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: And Marbine lets not forget his record would be better if handled better. Unlucky in the Prince Of Wales. Wrong tactics in the Arc, looked tired in the Champions, pulled to hard on dirt in the breeders when fired up with the blinkers then headed to Dubai less that a week before the race on the tapeta with no lead up run.
SYT campaign should have been,
Moorsebridge G3 Tattersall Gold Cup G1 Prince Of Wales G1 Eclipse G1 Irish Champion G1 Champion Stakes G1 Breeders Turf G1
7 starts at that level in 3 different countries is a highly demanding campaign. And in all of these races he should have been ridden to the same pattern and without a pacemaker or blinkers (what the????). We may never know but Id bet my kahunas his record would be superior to what it is now if they followed that path.
Author: Todman Timestamp:- 29/5/2012 4:27:54 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: our current shallow pool of decent horses, IMHO can be attributed to EV - 2008 wasn't it.
It affected breeding but more importantly embryo's, yearlings and early 2 year olds were hit hard by the virus. Fair enuff it only affected horses north of Victoria but movement of mares and sires created the need for matings that may not have been optimal.
If you do your sums it means that 4 & 5 year olds or today were the likely age groups to be most affected and isn't that where we are sadly lacking numbers.
Maybe I am skewed in my thinking but I am confident that it is not misdirected.
Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 29/5/2012 1:54:06 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: In my opinion, Patsy, what So You Think has demonstrated is that the best 2,000-metre horse in Australia at any given time is right up there with the best that Europe can dish up over that distance - and we saw a similar thing with Starcraft in mile racing. Oddly, though, this is not reflected in the ratings. What do you think we are doing wrong in this country that we cannot seem to produce anything (other than Black Caviar) that can ever rate more than 133? How do you guys, on the hand, manage to do it every year?
Author: Barossa Boy Timestamp:- 29/5/2012 10:47:54 AM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: He's admitted he made a mistake Tigger and called himself stupid for not listening. I don't think you'd ever hear a more qualified and brilliant trainer say that! i.e. David Hayes - Americain. Unless you want to push Aidan over and lay the boot in some more (if sadism is your go) I can only say fair enough, let's move on and take on Frankel.
Author: tigerrish Timestamp:- 28/5/2012 9:02:20 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: "O'Brien reckons he has So You Think sorted now"
It doesnt say alot for the stable when they make comments like this.
It wasnt like they had to work anything out or start from scratch. The horse was hardly a complex individual, he was an on pace runner who could settle just off the speed if needed. Not rocket science, really.
Why wouldnt they ask the previous trainer or the owners what suits the horse, thats what you'd expect from a professional trainer, isnt it? Or at least take some kind of notice of his racing pattern prior to him arriving.
Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 28/5/2012 8:11:23 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: Patsy - every week when I watch the racing broadcast I see a plethora of stallion advertisements for European stars that are going to be standing at stud in Australia. So, I'll ask again, can you please explain on what basis these European stars will produce bigger stars for European racing than they will produce for Australian racing?
Author: marbine Timestamp:- 28/5/2012 3:18:34 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: Why was it an average 200m year patsy? I would have thought if one horse domintaed then it would have been more ordinary a year. Looked to be agreat year to me, amny top class horses. Interesting to see that the 2010 3yo champ (Derby & Arc) found it tougher as an older horse, he had to carry weight..
Author: patsy fagan Timestamp:- 28/5/2012 2:23:13 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: So You Think is one of the best 2000m horses you've had in the last 50 years.
If your telling me every year horses who win the cox plate are of the calibre of So You think you're again being blinded by patriotism and delusion.
However it must have come to your attention that So You think in an average year in Europe 2000m wise was beaten by rewilding beaten by cirrus des aigles and beaten by danedream and also run to half a length twice by snow fairy.
Highlighting that most years Europe will in fact have horses as good/better/slightly inferior to So You Think.
Whereas Australia due to your breeding for speed and early 2 year old racing rarely will have anything close to that kind of depth past a mile.
Again if you disagree your being extremely patriotic and naive.
Im not doubting that with your sprinters exactly the same scenario exists in Europe.
I can accept it and im not ignorant enough to be that blind.
Author: iglesia Timestamp:- 28/5/2012 1:38:11 PM Subject: Re: Sea The Stars Retired from Racing
Message: This idea you keep insinuating - that there is this vast pool of horses in Europe who could win the Cox Plate - has been shown up time and time again by So You Think in his European campaign. If this pool actually exists, how is it that So You Think can spreadeagle fields in European Group One races? What beaten horses in either of his wins in the Tattersall's Cup would start at less than 33/1 in a Cox Plate?
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