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Author: Rex Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 5:35:35 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: And just a couple of other things you have wrong there champ. Soyouthink was top shelf in Oz no doubt, he has now gone to Europe and proven to be the best middle distance older horse in the world, despite a somewhat unusual training process. But he was beaten in Australia on several occasions.
Aust/NZ horses have rarely targeted the Arc and of the 4 that have we have seen a unlucky 2nd, bad ride for 5th and a 4th from off the pace on a day that suited those on the pace. Not a bad record by all accounts.Perhaps we need to send our well matured 3yo's as that is what you need to win an Arc! But as we have all agreed in the past our strength is in sprinter milers- how is their record in the last 8-9 years looking in Europe?
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Author: Rex Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 5:28:08 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Australias best stayers have beaten Europes best stayers in the MC in the past Patsy and its a division we openly admit that we are weak in. Our best horsse at the moment according to world rankings are Black Caviar, So You Think, Hey List, Whobegotyou. Then we see horses such as Sepoy, More Joyous and Atlantic Jewell. Are any of the aforementioned going around in the Melbourne Cup? No they are not so to say our best are going around in the MC is once again factually wrong.
And again champ- its a handicap- do you understand what a handicap is?
Author: MD Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 1:37:02 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Patsy, weren't you leaving - Again?!
I suggest you sort out English racing as it is an absolute amateurish disgrace run by corporate bookmakers and breeders. 3 yo's winning everything and then showing just how ordinary they are when the odd one races on (Workforce - LOL!!) See if you can organise some sectionals for the punters
WS, let's also remember to add MARIENBARD to those great Euro horses who would dominate over here. And let's not forget the wonderful training efforts of AO'B and his merry band of pint-sized butchers.
Author: MD Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 1:31:55 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: "Agree!!! I live in Auzzie and the Australians are sooo full of themselves"
Then p*ss off back to NZ chup on the shoulder boy. And take the tens of thousands of your fellow countrymen with you - you know, all those whining, dole bludging kiwis who live here despite NZ being so superior in every way.
Author: infidel Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 12:36:52 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: The Melbourne Cup is an antique, an anachronism: it's a museum piece. You are hardly going to base your breeding program on one race. Much smarter to buy horses for this one race from England, which is a museum.
Author: tigerrish Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 12:31:00 PM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Zed,
With regard to Yeats and Septimus, it wasnt so much a case of them not being good enough, it was more that their riders or trainers didnt use any commonsense.
Ability and stamina wise, they were not much different to horses like Americain and Vinnie Roe. And given similar rides to both these horses, they could well have changed the result of the races they contended.
Author: Zed Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 10:32:53 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Europe have sent over horses that have either won or been placed in the Arc along with champion (in European terms) stayers, in Yeats and Septimus, as well as boat loads of other good horses yet have only managed to win the Melbourne Cup on a couple of occasions.
They also tried and failed to win Australias' premier weight for age race with Grandera, who at the time was the best horse in Europe.
Considering that in a time when the Australian racing industry is so heavily geared towards sprinting european horses are still unable to dominate the feature staying events it is frightful to think what would happen if the breeding industry shifted its focus towards stayers. All of Europe should pray that it never happens.
Patsy, I know you are having a little fun but you must admit that european racing is abit of a joke.
Your feature events attract small fields, including pacemakers, and no prizemoney along with the fact that most of your good horses are retired before they are truly tested.
You were so quick to take delight in So You Think getting beaten by Cirrus Des Aigles that you didn't take stock of the farcical state of racing overthere where a horse that can lay claim to being one of the best middle distance horses in Europe was unable to compete in the premier race due to him being a gelding. To think that great horses like Might And Power, Saintly and Northerly would not be allowed to run in Europes major race is ridiculous.
Also, didn't you say that if Lucas Cranach was within 6 lengths on the turn in the Caulfield Cup he would win easily?
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 10:10:17 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Yes and when people said the stars come out in the spring, they weren't talking about handicap racing Patsy. Don't you understand what a handicap is? Why do you think both champions and working class type horse have won the MC?Basic stuff to be getting wrong champ.
Author: patsy fagan Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 10:02:09 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Racing against the Aussie handicappers, under handicap conditions...
THESE ARE THE ABSOLUTE BEST STAYERS IN AUSTRALASIA.HORSES THAT WOULD BE TARGETTED AT AN ARC OR A JAPAN CUP..IT JUST SO HAPPENS THEIR BEST STAYERS ARE THE SAME LEVEL AS UK HANDICAPPERS.
So You Think has beaten Snow Fairy, Workforce and gone past Nathaniel like he was nailed to the floor so I'm not so sure that our horses are any better than those down under.
HES 100 TIMES BETTER THAN ANYTHING THEY HAVE OVER THERE,ONE OF THE BEST THEY'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 20 YEARS AND IS NO REFLECTION ABOUT THE STATE OF THEIR STAYING RACING.HE WAS UNBEATABLE IN AUSTRALIA AND THATS NOT THE CASE IN EUROPE.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY ROCKET MAN IS AN INDICATION OF THE STRENGTH OF SINGAPORE RACING.
Author: patsy fagan Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 9:40:16 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Weight Special,your the man mate,you know your stuff.
"Mamool had a really bad injury to his ankle in Australia and suffered ligament damage as well as bone damage - it certainly looks as if he might not race again," Crisford said.
Author: Rockettt Mannn Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 9:37:47 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: The high end of our handicappers are down there at the moment Patsy.
Racing against the Aussie handicappers, under handicap conditions...
I don't know how any nations superiority is being proven at this point???
Good horses here are good horses there and vice versa.
So You Think has beaten Snow Fairy, Workforce and gone past Nathaniel like he was nailed to the floor so I'm not so sure that our horses are any better than those down under.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 26/10/2011 3:05:44 AM Subject: Re: Patsy was right all along
Message: Patsy doesnt understand that the most G1 races around the world now are from 1600m and below. Australian racing proudces world class horses at these distances and have won G1 races around the globe at these distances.
The MC and CC are wonderful events, but at the end of the day they are glorified handicaps and have been for many a year.
In England we have the worse prize money in the world and by such a margin it is seriuosly not funny. We have trainers and riders refusing to nominate or ride in certain races due to the dire prize money. And now we have the BHA bring it some of the most ridiculous whip rules ever seen.
When were these rules brought in you ask? Two weeks prior the running of the very first champions day. You couldnt time it worst if you tried.
Why were the brought in? To appease a small minority who couldnt give a toss about racing.
Who were they brought in by? People who have never sat on a horse.
What is the resulted outcome? We now have Irish/French riders refusing to ride in England and the Jockeys Associateion threatening strike action.
As several media types and posters have commented in the Racing Post recently- England racing at the moment is the laughing stock of the world- is it any wonder they have turned to an Australian to sort out this diabolical mess!
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