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Message: I used to be a fanatic supporter of NSW...this year i really couldnt care. Its the same reason I cant watch the roosters play on channel 9...Gus Gould. After all the Gasnier rubbish last week, Gus found he wasn't in the headlines enough so he comes out and says that hes quitting. Here's a tip Gus: Nobody cares! Origin coaches are pointless anyway...Fatty Vautin proved that. Coaches at this level need only be motivators, nothing more.
Author: Windy Timestamp:- 27/5/2004 11:11:51 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares! I do ITG
Message: Great post Cat - shows these rugby fans (and Sydney-ites in general) that the world does not revolve around their sport and city and, in fact, the majority of the country couldn't give a toss!!
One final point - how is being able to play an International series a plus for your "sport"? Darts is also played internationally! I love Australian Rules because it is exactly that - Australian for Australians - give me that over rugger anyday, which was invented by poms for poms lacking the skills necessary for soccer!
Author: infidel Timestamp:- 27/5/2004 11:05:18 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares! I do ITG
Message: Oh yeah? Where are the results of this comparison published, moleboy? I find it hard to believe that anyone has more endurance than some of the AFL midfielders, who run amazing distances every game.
Author: Moleboy Timestamp:- 27/5/2004 10:51:46 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares! I do ITG
Message: Specialization might work in the NFL where you have a team of 50 players on the sideline during the course of a match.
Rugby league has 13 of 17 on the field, and its flat out for much of the 80 minutes. Having a team of specialists on the bench would be useless. A team that can adapt on the run is a team that wins.
Tests were conducted on a random sample of professional players from the four football codes, and rugby league won every test for strength, fitness and endurance.
For those who are interested Union came last and soccer was second.
Two follow-up tests were conducted with different samples for the same results.
Author: catweazle Timestamp:- 27/5/2004 10:47:22 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares! I do ITG
Message: I'd rate you 0 from 10 on those points Grandma:
1. Calls for players to both attack and defend, rather then have the majority stand around and cannot do both.
You obviously know little about AFL as all players are required to both attack and defend. In both League and AFL, a large number of players are out of the play at any given time.
2. Players have the skill, strength and ability to go forward while have the ball go backwards, rather then having to kick it.
Watch a game sometime, players run forward with the ball all the time, and often pass backword, they don't "have to kick it". They do have the option at all times, which makes the game a lot quicker and superior.
3. Allows players of all shapes and sizes to participate.
Clearly AFL is superior to League in this regard, with specialist positions for people of all heights. Don't see too many 6 foot 8 inch + guys playing league. The only people playing elite League who couldn't play elite AFL are those who are carrying several kilos of fat.
4. Has the record for the highest crowd at any single game of football (any code)in this country ever.
I couldn't find any confirmation of this one. I know that there were 121,000 at the 1970 AFL GF and there would have been plenty more if they could fit. If a League game has beaten this record, it was purely because they had a ground that could fit them all in (where was this, and when?).
5. Has a judiciary that has balls.
Hardly the best recommendation for a code. Given the amount of off the ball punches that are thrown and not penalised, this is highly debatable. I have seen players get 1 week in league that would get 6 in AFL and vice versa.
6. Has the highest rating sports event annually. Each of the 3 games of State of Origin rate higher then the AFL Grand Final.
Wrong. This may be true in Sydney, but is clearly not true nationally. A quick net search provided me with the official list of the Top 10 shows nationally last year, the AFL grand final came in at number 4, whilst no League event, including all SOO games rated in the top 10.
In most Australian states the SOO games do not make the top 50 programmes of the year, whereas the AFL grand final always does in all states. It may shock some to know that up until the last few years, the majority of Australia did not even bother to show the SOO games live at all.
7. Has a media organisation willing to spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to hijack the games as it is a far superior product then any other football code in the country.
TV rights paid for AFL are around double that of NRL, so any claims of media spending as evidence of NRL's superiority is clearly laughable. At the last AFL rights contract tender, all channels bid, with a 10, 9, Fox consortium being successful. If NRL asked for the money AFL asked for, they'd be laughed out of town.
8. Where players can actually pick up the ball when it is on the ground, even guys who are 120kgs.
I can't believe the amount of times NRL players spill the ball, even when it is thrown into their lap (Craig Gower at the crunch time last night?). Besides, they're different shaped balls. Also, in AFL there are no such things as knock ons, it is often preferable to knock the ball forwards rather than pick it up.
9. Where the workrate and fitness levels of a 110kg forward is actually greater then then some AFL players.
Depends on what you mean by workrate. AFL midfielders can cover over 20 k's a game in amongst all the physical contact. There is no way that the NRL guys come anywhere near that.
10. Has in Andrew Johns the best Australian footballer of any code.
Highly debatable. Johns or Lockyer would've been great AFL players, Voss or Riccuito would've been great NRL players. Who is better, who knows?
Some would argue that Johns is not even the best NRL player, with many preferring Lockyer or others, therefore your statement is highly questionable.
Author: infidel Timestamp:- 27/5/2004 9:44:13 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares! I do ITG
Message: Grandma, I can go either way with having to defend and attack, versus specialisation. I'm rather warming to the NFL, which because the players roles are so specialised, is the cutting edge of the super freak athlete. It's like evolution in fast forward.
Author: Grandma Dawn Timestamp:- 27/5/2004 8:46:59 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares! I do ITG
Message: So ITG, firstly there is a difference between rugby union and rugby league. Union is the second rate game played by second rate athletes. League is the real game. Secondly, you don't appreciate the skill, strength and speed of league players. And the heart. Craig Gower snapped his medial ligmament, Shane Webke broken ribs in last nights game. Both played on
State of Origin is a concept AFL can only dream to acheive. If SA played Vic, would you see Buckley put a hit on Rocca, knowing that his team needs him on the weekend? No. Club allegiances go out the window. State against state, mate against mate
Think about this. League-
1. Calls for players to both attack and defend, rather then have the majority stand around and cannot do both. 2. Players have the skill, strength and ability to go forward while have the ball go backwards, rather then having to kick it. 3. Allows players of all shapes and sizes to participate 4. Has the record for the highest crowd at any single game of football (any code)in this country ever 5. Has a judiciary that has balls 6. Has the highest rating sports event annually. Each of the 3 games of State of Origin rate higher then the AFL Grand Final. 7. Has a media organisation willing to spend hundreds of millions in an attempt to hijack the games as it is a far superior product then any other football code in the country. 8. Where players can actually pick up the ball when it is on the ground, even guys who are 120kgs. 9. Where the workrate and fitness levels of a 110kg forward is actually greater then then some AFL players. 10. Has in Andrew Johns the best Australian footballer of any code
When you go to a club this week, go up to a bouncer and the 2 of you can run and hit each other for 80 minutes. See how hard it is then
At the end of the season league is having a tri-series with New Zealand and England. Who are AFL boys playing? Sorry, but nobody else plays the game. You have to stitch up a game with a code that is "similar".
Why don't you make AFl harder. Here's an idea, try not using your hands. Oh, thats right, that will make it soccer
Author: doosra Timestamp:- 27/5/2004 5:12:23 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares
Message: Super I live here and love it - great State!- but am not a native sandgroper and am not an Eagles fan anyway....lived in Freo for a few years so have a little (very little, nay microscopic soft spot in the general vicinity of my black and white heart) for the Dockers. I tipped Richmond at the "house of pain" because I think West Coast are really flat at the moment and the difficulty in coming over here and winning seems to be slowly diminishing. As long as Richo doesn't go AWOL I think they can beat the Eagles.
Author: im the gun Timestamp:- 26/5/2004 6:13:46 PM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares
Message: "Number one ...any sport that has to go backwards to go forward ...gridiron, soccer and Aussie rules all involve those tactics." - Gridiron is the worst of all sports, I'll watch paint dry before I watch that. It takes 4 hours to play a game which should go for 2 hours. and Soccer, gutless pretty boys who fall over and cry about being tripped when the other bloke didn't get within 2 foot of him, I mean come on how on earth is the game so big! The rules of aussie rules say you can pass forward without going back, it's only dumb footballers who go back and sidewards. Thugby saids you cannot pass forward.
"Number two...dumbos drunks and thugs ...I had the misfortune to interview Warwick Capper once on radio ..he did it tough to answer my first question "How are you today Warwick? ...drunks and thugs ..get out of the glass house quick Gun..too many examples to mention here of car thieves, assault merchants, embezzlers, drug pushers and assorted low lifes (which can be found in every social domain)" - I've meet capper, he lost me too, but AFL players on avg. are smarter than thugby players, most young players are at uni, have outside jobs and are far brighter than most thugby players. The AFL is also quick to jump on those who break the law, unlike those in the thugby, remember a Carlton player was delisted this year for showing up ?high? and another fined. Most AFL assaults are blown out of the water, I grew up knowing a lot of Collingwood players and can tell you most fights with footy players start out with a night of being called ?useless, gutless, a fag, a C*** or a dog? and most fights are only a result of having enough. The western bulldogs even stopped players from going out on a Friday night this year for fear of the press.
?Number three ..who cares, a sport is a sport whoever watches and enjoys it. Crikey I went to Elwick (Hobart) races on Sunday and there would have been at least eight people in the betting ring. I loved it.? - True, but Thugby really does suck!
?You stick to Aussie Rules and maybe one day you'll get in the All-Australian team ...the team with no-one to play.? - Last year the international rules games between Australia and Ireland drew over 100,000 people (You wouldn?t get 100,000 for the 3 games of SOG) in just 7 days, Players these days are lining up to play for Australia so get your facts right about no-one wanting to play.
And speedy I have been to a few games, I got a few free tickets one year and went to the first 3 games the Storm played in Melbourne of that year, The sport has nothing on AFL.
Message: Windy,did you see the Brumbies v Crusaders game? The ball handling, set moves and skills can only be described as brilliant. The rugby world cup also attracted an international audience not far off the Olympics.If you didn't enjoy then perhaps darts maybe more to your liking? I don't care much for the Rugby League myself as the game is too stop start. I do however recognise that some of these players are good to watch. As for Aussie Rules, the Sydney membership is increasing every year whilst the league membership is decreasing in numbers.I would be surprised if the game was ever played on an international level (except maybe in Ireland).
Message: Both codes of rugby are a joke - played by talentless thugs with not enough coordination to play a decent sport.
I've heard Aussie Rules bagged for receiving a point when you miss goal - fair comment too. However, what about rugger - all you need to do to score is avoid fat rockapes who couldn't run out of sight on a dark night, fall over a line and put the ball on the ground - tough task that - LOL!!
Message: Did he say RUN backwards..How about reading the posts,and after you've heard the rattling in your head that indicates you've thought about it, then offer a response...
Author: Super Impose Timestamp:- 26/5/2004 12:36:54 PM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares
Message: Cat, Lets not be so naive shall we.Ever heard of reverse psychology! That's why no one is making any noise because everyone(but you it seems) knows what he's up to..Let's show that damn coach they say,and and the result will follow.
Doosra,You live in WA and think Richmond will win,(hang on checking my calendar,No it's not 1/4/04)?
Author: Bluey H Timestamp:- 26/5/2004 12:29:57 PM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares
Message: Hi Gun, you wrote three sentences on your hatred of league.
Number one ...any sport that has to go backwards to go forward ...gridiron, soccer and Aussie rules all involve those tactics.
Number two...dumbos drunks and thugs ...I had the misfortune to interview Warwick Capper once on radio ..he did it tough to answer my first question "How are you today Warwick? ...drunks and thugs ..get out of the glass house quick Gun..too many examples to mention here of car thieves, assault merchants, embezzlers, drug pushers and assorted low lifes (which can be found in every social domain)
Number three ..who cares, a sport is a sport whoever watches and enjoys it. Crikey I went to Elwick (Hobart) races on Sunday and there would have been at least eight people in the betting ring. I loved it.
You stick to Aussie Rules and maybe one day you'll get in the All-Australian team ...the team with no-one to play.
At least underwater hockey players get a chance to play internationals.
Message: "I hate the sport, any sport where to go forward you have to go back is a joke. The players have shown themselves to be dumb, thugs and drunks. If the AFL doesn't kill the sport in the next 5 years, the players themselfs will"
What? have u ever watched a game? They dont run backwards (except for cliff lyons lol).
AFL players run backwards, sideways and even kick the ball backwards.
Look at the uniform AFL players where? How could u take anyone serious when they wear shorts like that.
Author: catweazle Timestamp:- 26/5/2004 8:46:59 AM Subject: Re: Origin - who cares
Message: I don't follow league closely and maybe I am missing something, but I can't believe some of the comments Gus Gould made last week (and the lack of criticism he has received for them).
In particular (the way I read it), as the NSW coach he said that (in regard to the "bonding session" incidents) he was particulalry hurt by the actions of the Roosters players, but that he expected no better from some of the others. This guy is the NSW coach and he is essentially saying that he held a number of his team in very low esteem. How can you expect the team to play together when the coach is saying such things.
Furthermore, he says before the match that he has lost his passion for the cause and doesn't want to coach anymore. How can the team fire up when the coach is making such comments.
If thats the way he feels, fair enough, but surely as coach he has a duty to do his best up until the game. Surely he could have made such comments after the series.
To me, the fact that such comments have gone largely uncommented on indicate that the concept of "teams" in this series are pretty much a joke and that the whole State Of Origin series is more or less a meaningless marketing exercise.
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