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Author: patsy fagan 
Timestamp:- 2/11/2010 8:48:40 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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judge SYT over 2000..

ridiculous comment..

ask cathy freeman to run 1500m see how she'd get on..no difference.

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Author: MD 
Timestamp:- 2/11/2010 9:08:46 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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West Coast - Khrapper hasn't enjoyed watching him this spring. He's done everything on him laying him at each of his previous 5 starts - what an absolute loser on the punt and in life!

Count - agree the Phar Lap comparisons were illy and premature, but I don't think anyone with any clue was comparing them, more just the silly media in this country again. But you can not seriously say that was a disappointing run today. After what he'd done this spring and pulling early I'd say holding on for 3rd was a great effort.

P.S - Phar Lap wasn't unbeaten either. He only placed in his first Cup ;)

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Author: muirfield 
Timestamp:- 2/11/2010 9:59:20 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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SYT was a very good run. Simply not a two miler. I noted with interest that Dato basically confirmed after the race that that was the hunch all along. They actually made that pretty clear before the race for those who know how to interpret.

I hope he's not retired but if he is he should go down in history as a champion. No not close to Phar Lap or Might & Power or Makybe Diva, but a champion nonetheless. And the best looking horse I've seen (although the only champion in the last 15 years that I haven't met in person).

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Author: CountChivas 
Timestamp:- 2/11/2010 10:30:01 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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Yardsey,
Get a clue.
You're one of the multitude who've been brainwashed by the media and their out of control obsession with So You Think.
They were willing him to win the Cup to justify the hype and hysteria they'd created around him, but as they found out, no one can write history before it happens.

So You Think is a great galloper who couldn't quite get two miles today, end of story, at least for now.

As for 'he did us proud today' who is 'us'?




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Author: Rex 
Timestamp:- 2/11/2010 11:02:02 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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Good to see some people have an idea. SYT ripped all the way. The fact he was still on the steel coming into the straight was amazing in itself. He was never going to be able to accelerate like he can after that.

SYT had spent so much energy in the run it was testament to the horses ability/courage that he finished as close as he did. If he had settled who knows what may have been!

Hopefully we will now see the horse in training next year being kept to set weight races wherever that may be.

International + Geelong Cup form = back in cup. Very good win and top ride.

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Author: OliverFan 
Timestamp:- 2/11/2010 11:55:58 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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At the moment he is level pegging with El Segundo and FOO, He needs another spring to get up there with the others.
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Author: Rex 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 7:34:26 AM
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He may not be a natural 2 miler but he still beat 20 runners home after ripping all the way. Oliver Fan- are you saying he isnt any better than FOO and ES? With all respects mate- he would be to good for both of them at 2000m. Blind freddy can spot the difference in talent.
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Author: Hands N Heels 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 8:43:27 AM
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"SYT had spent so much energy in the run it was testament to the horses ability/courage that he finished as close as he did. If he had settled who knows what may have been!"

No-one knows Rex, not you or I or anyone else so let's not dissect the perfomance to that degree and effectively take away from the winner. The best stayer won the race despite his own ride, that much was clear.

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Author: glencoe 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 9:55:46 AM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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SYT ran out the 2 miles very strong. 2 others did it stronger at the end having had a suckier run.

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Author: glencoe 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 9:56:35 AM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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If that was a wfa 2 mile race SYT wins and wins well.

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Author: Weight Special 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 10:15:50 AM
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"Hopefully, the comparisons with Phar Lap will now cease."

Yes but all the comparisons with KT will start if he wins 3 cps.

It's all a bit sickening and so boring.

But SYT awesome run for a horse who didnt want to settle.

Should be fine over 2400m in the BMW v Malucky if we are lucky.



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Author: Weight Special 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 11:57:40 AM
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"At the moment he is level pegging with El Segundo and FOO,"

Both quality horses but very limited.

SYT showed he is far more versatile.


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Author: Rex 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 12:11:09 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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Hands n Heels,

Ive already wrapped the winner prior and pre race mate. My comment has nothing to do with the winner.

There will be people who will say STS isnt this or that (including those that were all over him before the MC)- mark my words- if he continues next season (injury free) he will go on to prove to be one of the greats IMO. He had no right being there at the finish the way he ripped during the race. Anyone who has ridden horses will know exactly what Im talking about.

If anything, Im even more impressed with the horse now than I was prior the MC. I clearly stated prior the MC I thought he was to explosive to win a MC.

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Author: patsy fagan 
Timestamp:- 3/11/2010 8:21:49 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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sorry glencoe but id back Americain all day long over SYT over 3200m WFA..

even more so if theres pace in the race..yesterdays race was a crawl and didnt test his stamina..(although the slow pace didnt help him settle)

plus all of Americains wins have been on dry tracks..

2400m SYT all day long but over 3200m NO..
he's not a 3200m horse simple as..

Im not knocking SYT I just dont see him as a 2 miler..

The real test will be when he takes on the cream of europe over 2000m/2400m wfa..

if theres an average crop he'll clean up but with Frankel and possibly Workforce still around it should be very interesting.



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Author: Rex 
Timestamp:- 4/11/2010 12:51:04 AM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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Patsy- at the risk of being attacked by the lobby "moralist" who seem to think I am on a crusade to destroy everything you submit- I still have to take you to task on this. Dont forget Im based in Europe and see these horses going around every day of the week.

You constantly tell us it takes a 2400m horse to win the MC and that is why so many Euros have failed (Yeats, Septimus etc etc), yet Americain form would suggest he is an out and out stayer.

Out of all his starts in Europe he has only ever won 2 races shorter than 3000m. One was a 1400m race as a 2yo over 3 years ago and the other was a 5 runner 2400m listed race in France as a 3yo.

His last 10 starts (dating back to May 09) read

1st 3200m MC
1st 2400m Geelong Cup
1st 3000m G2 Deauville
1st 3000m Listed Deauville
1st 3000m Clairfontaine
5th 3000m Chantilly
9th 2400m G3 Keeneland
6th 2200m Hcp Belmont
7th 2400m G1 Saratoga
1st 3200m G2 Longchamp

Yeats and Septimus both had stronger form over 2400m. Americain form would suggest he is an out and out stayer who can compete at 2400m, or am I missing something here?

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Author: glencoe 
Timestamp:- 4/11/2010 8:57:47 AM
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He's never tasted defeat at wfa. I don't see how Americain could make a difference.

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Author: patsy fagan 
Timestamp:- 4/11/2010 1:34:31 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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Rex he's being aimed at the G1 HONG KONG VASE
next start..

Clearly thats an indication of the speed of the horse

I cant imagine RITE OF PASSAGE will be aimed at that race.......


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Author: patsy fagan 
Timestamp:- 4/11/2010 6:08:51 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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because its 3200m glencoe..
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Author: Rex 
Timestamp:- 4/11/2010 9:28:00 PM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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Patsy,

I did say he could compete at 2400m, but bottom line is he stays. Ive never seen a MC winner that couldnt stay, have you?

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Author: Rex 
Timestamp:- 5/11/2010 12:24:44 AM
Subject: Re: SYT superb..

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I suppose the question is- looking at his form whats his optimum distances?;

2000-2400m

or 3000m up

Its there in black and white. And I never mentioned Rite Of Passage.

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