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Author: Axl_Rose Timestamp:- 7/11/2006 3:40:44 PM Subject: Are the Poms incompetent?
Message: Japs quinella it on the 2nd try, yeats was probably the most dissapointing run in the race given the obvious front runner bias and lack of pace up front. Great run by activation to finish where he did from the back of the field.
Message: spot on prankster........and especially keep outsiders out if we are going to put on 24 horse-field 2 mile hcps of about g.2 quality worth 5 million......why would they want to throw 5 million at a bunch of warbles when to get that sort of prizemoney in europe, america and japan, you have to be a g1 wfa horse of the highest order..... so the big races in the world money-wise are the breeders cup, japan cup, dubai world cup, and the melbourne cup....who's the odd one out?
we didn't become a laughing stock because a pair of jap horses quinellad the cup....we became a joke because they waltzed off with the best part of 5 million while they were at it.
our sport is cheapened by our two richest races being a scamper for babies and a 2 mile plodfest.........isn't our racing good enough to put on a decnt worldclass wfa race at 2000- 2400 metres......why are we focussing at the extreme ends of the spectrum?
this country better wake up to itself, because after next year european breeding is through. all the top concerns are starting to move into america, japan, and australia ...and if we can't keep pace, the position that is being thrust upon us will be abused and then destroyed.....the oceanic turf circuit is on the threshold of world domination, and as a major player on this circuit, it is shameful that our 2 biggest races are seen as curiosities and novelties amongst our asian- pacific peers.
if we want to be a big shot in world racing, at least have some dignity about it... ...you don't see the ashes being contested as one-dayers, or the americas cup contested by speedboats, so why does our racing have to be so degraded?.... if this isn't fixed the cup will be nothing more than a source of embarassment and an adjunct to the culture-cringe.
japanese horses winning 5 million in a 2mile g.2 handicap beating the likes of maybe better and zipping represents the lowest depth our sport has ever descended to...it makes fine cotton look like a party prank.
november 7, 2006 was a day of national shame. ....not because they won, but because of how much they won.
it is the greatest disgrace in this country's history.........period.
our greatest symbol has become a prostitute.
...it used to be about office sweeps and necked favourites, in the greatest of tradition...........this is dead....now it's about what country we can throw the most money at......
...........there was nothing whatsoever to be gained by the 2006 melbourne cup......... ......do what the english did....melt the cup down and call it the ashes.
i love the cup for it's egalitarian concept, but WAKE UP......the opposition don't see it like that........you wouldn't play against a football team uphill, so why does it persist in racing?????
we do not need foreign participation at handicap level in this country....the field size and betting pools are more than adequate to sustain the industry at grassroots level.. ..it is the smaller-field wfa races that need shoring up.........d!ckheads.
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Timestamp:- 9/11/2006 10:59:40 PM Subject: Re: Are the Poms incompetent?
Message: Rex I support Arc form,I support King George form.. i believe horses that are champions in Europe such as Falbrav/Galileo/Montjeu etc represent the highest level of performance in the world.. I believe once in a while you have a horse that can compete at the highest level but in general i feel that the absolute pinnacle of horse racing is in Europe at Royal ascot at longchamp.. I have no allegiance either way be a horse from france or ireland or the UK..I think the standard of racing here is the ultimate,its just a shame you dont have a 2400 WFA championship event,our 3200m specialists are not our superstars mate,and you know it.
Marienbard won an arc, was useless in Oz (MC & CC). If that is the ultimate Patsy, you can have it. You also stated that Yeats and Geordieland could not finish out of the top 4. wrong again. Why should we believe you when you spruik your horses and tell us how good they are. You underestimate our horses, and your horses come unstuck each year. In another of your posts you concluded by saying we will see on Tuesday; can you please tell all of us at the forum what it was we were going to see.
Patsy you are a joke, you are one eyed, and your horses cant perform over here. Please leave it at that, as my IQ drops every time I have to read your BS.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 13/11/2006 12:03:03 PM Subject: Re: Are the Poms incompetent?
Message: Be interesting to see how they go on DI home turf. I will be the first to congratulate any horse no matter where its from if they can beat DI at home fair and square. (assuming hes got throught The Arc run ok).
Message: A better representative from Europe than Yeats...
Possibly HURRICANE RUN (a perfect mel cup 2 miler if ever i saw one)/SHIRROCO/PRIDE/RAIL LINK/OUIJA BOARD/SIXTIES ICON/DYLAN THOMAS/RED ROCKS.. i must say looking at the above its a pretty weak time if it in europe,but they still saw off hearts cry and deep impact..
Author: Axl_Rose Timestamp:- 12/11/2006 2:57:09 PM Subject: Re: Are the Poms incompetent?
Message: It was a real shame that hawkes never elected to campaign lonhro internationally at 1600m a distance at which he really was special. He was so bullet proof at wfa at the mile he seemed the perfect canddate for a hong kong or dubai trip.
Author: bigdaddy Timestamp:- 10/11/2006 9:41:30 PM Subject: Re: Are the Poms incompetent?
Message: Who are the Euros that are going to win in Hong Kong and Japan? Ouija Board?....and....and.....
Like Rex says patsy, you cant keep on going back to undisputed champions of the last decade. Our greats would have given your precious arc and King george a shake if they were set for them as well. Who now, for the melbourne Cup just gone, would have been a better representative for Europe? You told us how good yeats was before the Cup...2 mile winner...speed to win over 1m 4f at the top level etc etc. Now you try to tell us that he aint the right type of horse. If thats not making excuses i dont know what is.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 10/11/2006 9:01:35 PM Subject: Re: Are the Poms incompetent?
Message: Yes, Mont, Dm, Falb etc where wonderful horses, but again as ive had to say 100 times, so where Sunline, Might and Power, Northerly, Saintly, Octagonal, Lohnro, etc etc etc....
And i think Yeats put in a great effort, as you say he travelled half way around the world and carried top weight.....but you knew this when you declared him and now your excuses include that, to win a MC you need a horse that can win at a mile and a half and that is not his go, but before the race you declared it was, you mention his great form against Alk (and yes i do think that is good form, but it was good enough to win the cup)....i know whos talking to the 10yo....
Message: Every racegoer in the UK knows Yeats nicked that race against Alkaased from the front...
Do you now doubt the quality of Alkaased who went to Japan and won the Japan Cup,beating Hearts cry and friends in their own backyard??
Rex you know that Montjeu/Dubai milenium/Falbrav/Peintre Celebre/Swain/Galileo/Fantastic Light etc are in another league to Mamool/vinnie roe/pugin etc etc....I really cant be bothered anymore....its like talking to a 10 yr old about horse racing.
I have already admitted I was wrong about Yeats,he still beat 18 odd aussie horses with top weight travelling half way around the world.
What are you trying to say now that a top weighted highly fancied euro flops in a handicap over 3200m that all Arc form/king george form/Derby form is no good...because their the only races that matter,WFA classics..thats what its all about as Im sure you know.
Message: Yep totally agree Rambo,I had a hunch Yeats was in the wrong division,had more class than the normal goodwood Cup horse,in the summer he was much better..last 2 runs been very dissapointing,thought he was better than that,i got it wrong.
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