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Author: Poindexter 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 3:22:52 PM
Subject: Alcopop.. MC

Message:
One for the Boffins.. re Alcopop

Has any horse Won the Melbourne Cup after starting it's preparation with a First Up Win over a Sprint distance

Does Alcopop need to break records to win the MC

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Author: tigerrish 
Timestamp:- 22/10/2009 4:26:02 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Shu and Phil,

Agree with your sentiments on both horses. The O/S runners have been doing the same long distance training for most of their careers and are used to it come race day.

Where as the Aust horses have more races programmed for them and take more benefit from a race than a track gallop. A trainer can put all the miles they like into a horse on the training track, but nothing substitutes real race conditions like they are used to.

I'd love to see a horse like Alcopop win, but skipping a run leading up to the race and go into it on such a long break could well be his undoing. If anything they should have sent him around in the MV Cup this week or even the Cox Plate.

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Author: Poindexter 
Timestamp:- 22/10/2009 3:04:42 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Alcopop.. by all reports.. is doing a LOT.. I mean a LOT work this week

I know it is not competitive racing.. but I do not think that the 24 day break will be given as an excuse

He was never entered for the CC...

We actually thought that he may had ended up in the MacKinnon... a couple wraps around the tail at about the 50 - 100m mark.. just to give him a blow out

No doubt we wait and see...

I was actually quite impressed with Efficent.. I think that Viewed got away with a poor CC... I statted than race and only had 4 possible's... Again.. 1st 2nd and 4th.. Vigor out because of it's Barrier


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Author: worker collective farmer 
Timestamp:- 22/10/2009 2:39:08 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Shu,

Didn't She's Archie break down badly in that Cup? You couldnt use that in stats

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Author: glencoe 
Timestamp:- 22/10/2009 1:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

Message:

Difference is Alcopop did it in a class 3,

not a group race. Winning first up is not significant in this instance because there are many cup winners that would have won a class 3 first up over 1200. How many cup winners have kicked their preps off in restricted company?

Going on his second up win in record time in a stakes race, i venture to say he probably would have gone close in a stakes sprint.

He just gives me the impression that he'll run well but the string of wins and the penalty to get him there may be a grand final in itself. Bit like Parramatta this year.

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Author: The Shu 
Timestamp:- 22/10/2009 9:08:46 AM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Thinking about the last horses to have takled the Cup on such a long break (ignoring O/S visitors)

She's Archie went to the Cup from the Turnbull, admittedly after a setback and ran last.

On the 24 day break all the way back to 1977 Reckless went from the Caulfield Stakes to the Cup. Loomed up to win but condition I think gave out and the Bart stayer Gold and Black forged away to win.

I am going to be risking both Efficient (as impressive as he was) and Alcopop

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Author: phil the punter 
Timestamp:- 21/10/2009 9:39:18 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Yep don't like the extended break and it seems Efficient might be having to overcome worse than that which is totally against his profile.

Alcopop should have been in the Caulfield Cup for more than the reason that he could have won it.

Just haven't got the preparation right it would seem and Bart has it over both trainers right at this moment

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Author: Poindexter 
Timestamp:- 21/10/2009 2:54:31 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

Message:
           Thank You for the Info

The Shu.. for once I am in agreement with Ewe

The Coat Pullers.. have really been giving it to me for the last Fortnight

They got their money on after the Bally Cup..

Me Finx that I will stay with the WFA horses

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Author: The Shu 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 7:31:53 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

Message:
So Alcopop has to do what only Kingston Town, Might and Power and Makybe Diva have done.
ummmm

And going into the race on a 24 day break...only Vintage Crop has done that. Some fair horses

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Author: worker collective farmer 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 6:41:54 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

Message:
Might and Power did
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Author: muirfield 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 6:32:49 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Might & Power
Makybe Diva

They were pretty good though.

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Author: Mr Lister 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 6:32:27 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Might And Power won the listed Show County first up over 1200m at the start of the prep that netted him the Cups double.
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Author: lachiew13 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 6:06:57 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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the diva won at 1400m first up on her way to the cox plate and melb cup
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Author: rump86 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 5:29:04 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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dunno about mc.

but didn't Kingston Town win from 1200m to 3200m one prep?

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Author: matt k 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 5:09:10 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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Depends how you define 'sprint distance'. If you include 1400m, Makybe Diva did it 4 years ago.

Think Might and Power also won over 1200m at his first start back in the spring of 1997 as a 4yo.




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Author: pindi 
Timestamp:- 20/10/2009 5:07:27 PM
Subject: Re: Alcopop.. MC

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I have a feeling Might & Power won 1st up over 1200.


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