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Message: infidel we run races on tracks with gradients..
times are irrelevant..suprised at your lack of knowledge.
The best middle distance horses like Sea The Stars/Galileo/Zarkava etc never run over 2 miles..even though over 2400m they are sensational..they never ever run over 2 miles as races like the Irish St Leger and Goodwood Cup are low grade G1's with poor prize money,and filled with average plodders who cant compete in any way shape or form over 2400m Group 1.
Theres a staying division in europe..ebor handicap/goodwood cup/ascot gold cup/yorkshire cup etc etc
and theres the elite middle distance division derby/arc/coral eclipse/japan cup/breeders cup classic route etc etc..
one has outstanding horses like Montjeu/Gailileo/Sea The Stars/Zarkava etc
the other has the crime scenes and geordielands and mourilyans and septimus and vintage crops etc..
You get a horse winning one of the staying races and they are hyped up as the best thing ever and are given 58 kgs plus when their whole career theyve run against horses with no speed who cant compete in G1's over 2400m. Yes give these horses 53 kgs and they still might win..they have won (vintage crop/media puzzle)but thats what theyd need.
Mourilyan and Crime Scene came 2nd and 3rd in the 2009 melbourne cup and we have 40 as good or better stayers back home at wfa over 2000m and 2400m. What time did they run in melbourne on a flat fast track? Who cares as their outclassed in Group company back home..
As long as your handicapper keeps giving horses like septimus 59kgs cause he won a 200,000 pound Irish Leger beating a hurdler you will never see any supposed decent horse win the race from europe..just a low weight plodder a la crime scene.
Author: infidel Timestamp:- 19/3/2010 11:14:41 AM Subject: Re: Doctor fremantle
Message: I suppose they run two mile races in england at a sizzling pace compared to the leisurely Melbourne Cup, eh, patsy? What kind of times would we be looking at? 3.10, 3.12, somewhere around there?
Message: yep you do need a 2000m/2400m horse for the mel cup..
they usually crawl for a mile..
sprint to the first bend,take a posi,crawl,sprint..
i think this years race will have some top euros in it..heard casual conquest will be coming of dermot weld,then theres alandi the irish st leger winner sadlers new recruit,if its a bog track they should pay out on alandi now..mourayans decent also..plus therell be others of course.. isnt there an increase in prize money this year?
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 18/3/2010 10:22:28 AM Subject: Re: Doctor fremantle
Message: The Doctor was a good horse here in the UK. Overall record is 5 wins from 14 starts and he had won 3 of his last 5 starts here in Europe including a victory over Look Here and Campanologist in a G3 Arc trial over 2200m at Longchamp and a win in the G2 Prince Of Wales over 2400m at Newbury.
He has never raced in anything shorter than 1400m and has posted wins between 1600-2400. He has never been further than 2400m. He was never considered a 2 miler in Europe, but as Patsy has stated on many occasions in the past, you need a 2400m horse with a turn of foot to win the MC.
Im not sure if the MC would be the right race for him-but time will tell.
Message: You're not imagining things Patsy, Viewed did run at the tail first up recently. It is Count Chivas who is imagining things because he told the forum Viewed could win first up in a 1400m WFA sprint against Typhoon Tracy despite the fact the horse had never won at WFA and had not won a race below 2400m for over 2 years.
I dont profess to knowing what the horses ideal distance would be, I dont think anyone does yet. Id say he would get a competitive weight in the Melb Cup, but he might be better at 2400. Time will tell.
I think connections would be reasonably pleased with him first up.
Author: pony Timestamp:- 14/3/2010 7:17:28 PM Subject: Re: Doctor fremantle
Message: With the current strength of the aussie dollar, a million does look fairly expensive. But when you consider he's an entire by Sadlers Wells and compare the price to the 2007 yearling prices, it could be looked on as a good buy.
This horse could easily win the 2400m wfa at Rosehill. Who will he be up against, Vosne Romanee?
With the lack of quality stayers around, there could be some easy pickings for Doctor Fremantle over the Sydney autumn carnival.
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