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Message: Why dont you give the stable a call if you're that interested in what Darren is going to do with the horse KhrapperJack. I'm sure he'd love to take some training advice from a peanut who's life consists of telling porkies on an internet forum and transporting his plodders to the sunshine coast picnics in the back of a station wagon rofl.
Why would winning an open handicap have any bearing on whether a rising 8yo is a quality horse or not? Id have thought the two competive runs against horses that subsequently went close in Group 1 sprints would have answered the quality question. Then again you seem to think 11 runs over more than 7 months is racing a horse into the ground so your cluelessness on this is no surprise. rofl
Bottom line is youre losing money from your plodders. Spin it any way you like, those are the facts.
Message: Right on Queue. The Chum Buddies turn up with absolutely nothing, again, as always. Cheers FJ PS Cameltoe, I hope you're not going to make the same mistake as last year and race your horse into the ground after 18 months off and then think you'll just slip up to the Qld Winter Carnival and knock off a couple of easy races. What was your record last year and 8th and a 10th wasn't it. It will be very interesting to see how you go this weekend. I'll bet you are all chewing your fingernails. This run(which race, which race) will tell you if you still have a quality horse, or not? Best of luck Cheers FJ
Message: Superb ringcraft there Fat Khrapper. Probing away with your famous shattered glass chin. Cheer up mate. Some caring institution somewhere must love you.
Message: KhrapperJack - jack of all trades (in his own mind) master of none (in reality).
Stick with the stories buddy. Anyone who knows anything about racing horses knows that on the figures provided you're losing money. Thats the bottom line.
Message: Cameltoe & KODaholic, The Chum Buddies who never leave each other behind. Some excellent comedy there from you Camel, which SBS show did you steal those ideas from. You were actually very close to the mark, I have on a couple of occasions had to tow the horsefloat to the races. I am also able to do my own farrier work but ownly for my own ride(Agro)one of my ex-racehorses who won 24k, I've been riding horses for 42 years. KODS, Well done to you, you're ownly decent winner for 6 months was your substitute, I suggest that's the way you do it in future. Go through and work out all your best bets then scratch the lot then pick your substitutes, I'm sure you'll end up way in front. It may even cure your pathological Telepathic Psycosis problem. You can thank me later. Cheers FJ
Message: Of course you are a stablehand KhrapperJack. You probably load your horses into the back of your station wagon to save on float costs too right? Do your own farrier work after reading a few wikipedia articles? rofl
Message: KODaholic, Where have you been it's been a week since you came on here with no eye dear as usual. Can't wait to see your KOD's for the weekend, I wish to heck I'd known you KODDED Military Rose, I was stupid backing her out of parochialism, very expensive lesson. My head said there was something wrong with all the sectionals she had been running but the heart ruled, would have been different if I realised the KOD was on again. Cheers FJ PS I definitely need to start taking the laptop with me, reception is not always good though, especially in the Northern Rivers Cameltoe.
Message: Camel, Firstly just have to say I never said I was making a profit out of racing my own horses, I said I thought I had just about broken even. It is too complex to go into, I was in a hurry to getaway last week when I responded to your post, my bad. But I am a registered stablehand/strapper I don't pay many of the costs you would, extra dec fees un heard of we don't even pay extra noms my horses have rarley seen a Vet in 5 years. Ownership percentages were never actually discussed, fortunately for me my highest % ownership was in the 2 best and currently worst but he has potential (I hope)still managed to lose money on him Satdy even though he picked up a cheque, Easter has to be the best racing weekend there is, started at Toowoomba Satdy night and finished at Ipswich yesterday, too tired to make Gold Coast today. Had the worst day on the punt possible Satdy, made some amateur mistakes, thank goodness pulled it all back testerday at Ippy, got knocked off in the last for a $3k quaddie. My other horse raced in there somewhere and won, picked up a very nice cheque. By the way, how did TM go? As Doosie said, it's not about the money unless you are a KHRAPPERHOLIC!!! Cheers FJ Cheers FJ
Message: Sorry Doosra but you have missed the point. Fat Khrapper is a smart alec who likes having a crack at other people over their racing tips but he's as fragile as the weakest eggshell when confronted with a little truth. Fat Khrap boasted about owning a larger percentage of horses than someone else. So he's just shot himself in the foot and is now looking a right Bunnings purchase and major hypocrite trying to defend his mischief.
Doose, please don't jump into defend someone before availing yourself of the facts.
Message: Dear god you are clueless KhrapperJack. And the fact that you seem to think Time Matters has been racing for 6 years is just the tip of the iceberg with respect to your cluelessness.
Yes your figure of $127k for training is correct. What you fail to include is vet, float to the track, strapper’s cost, gear like new plates, farrier costs, non-acceptance fees etc etc, and on top of that GST. So you can add a conservative $25k to that. Rofl @ you trying to pass off the basic trainers fee as the only cost of racing a horse.
Then of course theres the 10% trainer percentage and 5% jockey percentage on prizemoney so you can subtract $25k from the prizemoney figure.
So Im sorry my dear KhrapperJack but you are indeed losing money on your class 1 plodders. I know honesty (or basic maths it seems) is something completely foreign to you but just try it some time. Theres no shame in losing money racing horses, probably 95% of horses are loss makers. Those wacking away for a maximum of $10k per race are not among the profitable 5%.
It seems you cant read a form guide either. My horse had 1 start at the Sunshine Coast in a race a world away from the races that youre used to worth $10k and where half the field ends up at the meat works the following week. As for bitter, why would I be bitter about failing on a bottomless track? If the track could have been downgraded to a heavy 15 it would have been.
Im not surprised you wont give the names of your horses. It would no doubt expose yet another one of your BS stories lol
Message: Camel, All I can say is I'm glad you're not my Banker or Accountant. I'm guessing that all up the costs of running TM for the last 6 years would have been a minimum of $200k, so let's say you've made $25 k for your share. Now based on your figures, let's just say my horses did have 365 days at $45 a day(what I'm paying now for a trainer who's had 3 city winners in the last 3 weeks) by 6 horses, $99k and let's say they had another 365 days spelling @ $13 a day(what I'm paying now) by 6 horses, thats $28k all up $127k, prizemoney all up $167k profit $40k, my share 50% $20k. I'm happy with that. As far as giving you the names of my horses, I wouldn't give you steam, I suggest you stick to your SBS fantasy nights. Cheers FJ PS It's interesting you criticising the Sunny Coast your horse had two starts there for an 8th and a 10th, no wonder you're bitter and twisted. LOL PPS I love seeing Freedmans et al bleeding suckers like you dry. ROFLMAO
So you've just admitted to wasting six years of your deluded life in terms of a highly unsuccessful foray into potential-less equine fiscal glory. But on the other hand, it seems that your wacky hitchiking adventures between Charleville and Cooktown have been thoroughly rewarding on a human level. Good for you. Perhaps we had the makings of a reality show although they'd would have had to employ the super censor rectangle to cater for the large piece of Hugh Jars missing from your trousers.
Message: Estimate again KhrapperJack because on those figures there is no way you are even at all. Even at bargain bacement training prices and assuming an average of 12 months in work for each horse (most likely a lot more) you are well behind.
A horse that wins $20k is not profitable. A horse that wins $30k is not profitable. The only horse that could possibly have made a profit is the one you said won $60k. You're so full of it though you're odds on to be making it up. Give us the names of the two still racing and the one that won $60k.
Youre a confirmed BS artist though so I wont hold my breathe. I still remember you telling everyone you included a horse someone tipped in your quaddie only for it to be revealed the tip was posted after quaddie betting closed lol
The bottom line is no matter which way you want to spin it you are losing money racing these sunshine coast walkers. Even after enduring 2 years of outragous traing fees at the Freedman Stable, a $5k stem cell operation and 18months of sitting in the paddock doing nothing, I am well ahead.
Like I said, if you get enjoyment out of losing money hand over fist then good for you. I know which situation Id rather though.
Message: Camel & Kods, See that's where you guys are wrong and don't really know what you are talking about. Let's take the 6 year period that you have owned TM and in that period I have bred and raced 6 horses, two of them are currently still racing and will race in the next week at Sunny Coast or Ipswich (they both raced at Eagle Farm last start). All six horses cost me in the vicinity of 6-10k to get from womb to 2 year old at which stage I sold 50% of each to friends and family for what they cost me to get to that stage ie I have racehorses to race that cost me nothing. To date those horses have won 30k, 60k, 30k,22k and the two still racing have won 24k and less than 1k(but is a very lightly raced 3yo) who hopefully will be the best of the lot. Those 6 horses have won 14 races to date. I estimate that cost wise on outlays and prizemoney return I am about even but if you look at the fantastic racing and breeding experience I have had in that six years I think I am way ahead. We have won races with these horses from Cooktown to Grafton and west to Charleville and not one of the 4 retired horses ended up in a glue factory. We've had a great time. Cheers FJ
Don't get all touchy now just because Camel has correctly straightened you out on the fact that he is doing better tha you are regarding horse ownership forays. I realise the shattering of your delusion doesn't leave you with much, but we're here for you old mate. Glass chin up.
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