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Message: Malthouse abusing an opposition player, becomes Licuria joining in like a child of a larger growth. Even thoughtful children know that adults are not to be mimicked when tempers unravel into obscenity.
The Alan Didak/Heath Shaw concealment was condemned at Collingwood.
This time the foolishness was not so prudently contained. Eddie Maguire quickly dismissed the mistake as an ‘unconcern’ to Collingwood Football Club.
The slur directed at Stephen Milne soon rolled out of control. When he was questioned at a media conference Malthouse not only lied, but inverted the attack so that the author of the question was impugned. Attack as the best form of defence may work on the football field but it is not a strategy to use when defending an egregious and obvious fabrication.
The anger that boiled over in Milne was its own gilded truth.
Malthouse and Maguire should have taken the merest peek at the footage we all saw. That would have rendered as absurd the claim by the coach that he was delivering a sage warning of discretionary caution to those about to misbehave.
Like his misguided deed, the irony has escaped very few of us.
Author: riv Timestamp:- 16/4/2010 9:49:05 AM Subject: Re: Malthouse
Message: I`ve said it before, fancy letting Milne get to you...(couldn`t put enough on the saints after that.) He is the original trailer-park trash, trust me I know (from close range). T`was pretty bl@@dy obvious what Malty said, poor form and a great coach goes down a notch in my book. The lying made it worse...(whether he likes the media or not).
laws clause; Three quarters of all AFL reg. players....that is the number of AFL accred. reporters, thats why non-issues get off the ground.
Message: Just saying what a lot of people think about that whole "investigation" Red, although I do take your point.
Haven't read Mick's column yet but anyway,no matter what he says Mick will have lost respect in the eyes of quite a lot of people over this... and that's just something he has to deal with.
Me, I'm still an admirer of the guy both as a coach and a human being even though he may be imperfect in both departments. Can anyone name someone who isn't!
Author: Red_Summit Timestamp:- 14/4/2010 10:04:52 AM Subject: Re: Malthouse
Message: Further - a note to Malthouse about his column today.
Mick, comparing what you did to Churchill's philosophy on information distribution during WW2 is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have read in quite some time, and the whole "golly, gee, shucks, I can't believe how important people think a coach is" is ridiculous - it is the same in popular sport the world over and has been for longer than you've been in the game.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 14/4/2010 9:48:28 AM Subject: Re: Malthouse
Message: Crikey, wouldnt you love to have Doos as your missus. God help anyone who bad mouthed you, cause noone else could once Doos got to them......:) onya Doos
Author: Red_Summit Timestamp:- 14/4/2010 9:13:42 AM Subject: Re: Malthouse
Message: doosra, you do realise that throwing out an innuendo about why the charges against Milne were dropped has the potential to be just as defamatory as what Malthouse said?
If you want to be "careful" I'd stay clear of that aspect of the story altogether.
Message: I don't really care anymore - this is just another incident as to why footy means far less to me than it once did. Aside from the administration killing the game, the players of today are overpaid, overrated, molly-coddled bogans who haven't grown up and would struggle to get to a three figure IQ collectively.
That is a sustained and impassioned letter of integrity. The only credit I take is I got you angry enough to write it because it is a benefit to anyone who reads what you have poured out.
Message: Malthouse apologised,St Kilda accepted the apology.The media is the one who is keeping this going for their own benefit and Neil Mitchell is the ring leader a self confessed football hater.
Author: greyhounds Timestamp:- 13/4/2010 10:30:40 AM Subject: Re: Malthouse
Message: Lovely Doosra---"To be a man or not a man" Has the world changed that much that we find it ok to lie as long as you can reason that it has less consequences attached? We deplore politicians because of their so called lack of ethics when dealing with the truth but is it now, like here in Thailand,that it is most acceptable to lie and more importantly that our culture thinks it's ok, too? I am sorry, i do not. p.s I know a quality person like yourself Doosra would never deviat from the truth.
Author: doosra Timestamp:- 13/4/2010 9:00:08 AM Subject: Re: Malthouse
Message: Okay I'm across all the details in this sorry episode now which I wasn't before, and here is what I think:
Yes, Mick was wrong to lie to the media and I can't condone it but I do understand it.
Mick is famously underwhelmed by the supposed "integrity" of the football media and has little respect for it.
In this I happen to fully agree with his viewpoint so I am more sympathetic to his willingness to lie to their smarmy faces than others - certainly they themselves - would be.
He knew that what he had said to Milne in the heat of the moment would create a media sh!tstorm on a par with Hurricane Katrina if it got oxygen.... so in an ill-considered attempt to stop that happening and protect not only himself but the club, he denied it.
It was dumb because he must have forgotten about TV cameras being basically installed everywhere but in player orifices these days, and the fact that each even slightly controversial image is being pored over by a slavering media pack desperate for any sort of angle they can seize upon or invent to fuel the 24/7 news cycle their masters demand.
Before that sorry reality and the AFL's political correctness crusade became the norm, it was an understanding between all players and coaches that what happened on the field stayed on the field. Things were done/said in the heat of battle and it was understood that if you couldn't stand the heat maybe you should remove yourself from the kitchen. Well that code is well and truly a thing of the past and while some of the more entrenched stuff needed addressing ( eg the racist issue) the AFL has gone so far the other way it's not funny... and I don't personally believe the game is better for that.
But in a sense Mick has also set himself up for the media orgy of recrimination he is about to endure. They've been smarting under his often thinly veiled contempt for years now and he has given them a priceless opportunity to extract some payback, which they will, and then some. I'm sure he fully appreciates the irony of this and being a very intelligent man he will no doubt take some lessons from it.
As far as that sort of lying goes though, it's part of the job of senior officials in any organization be it sporting, political, car manufacturing or whatever, to be "creative" with the truth, and that includes fudging and denial, in order to attempt to serve the best interests of the organization (AVOID SCANDAL). Sad but just a fact of modern life.
Sometimes it backfires... eg Toyota, all senior politicians, Mick Malthouse circa Round 3 2010.
So while Mick was wrong, he was just clumsily attempting to do his job and defend the Collingwood FC from his own stuff up. Didn't work and in hindsight he would be kicking himself, but it hardly makes him the sort of amoral monster the majority of the football media are painting him as.
Ha ha, the football media pontificating about "standards" and "integrity"...give me a break
As to what actually happened on the ground
It was Milne who deliberately and aggressively approached the Collingwood huddle with the intention of opening hostilities.
It is a well known fact that Milne is one of the biggest and most potty-mouthed sledgers the game has ever seen...some of the things he has been heard to say on a football field are truly despicable. If you can't take it don't dish it out. Milne opened hostilities by insulting Mick with the C word and hurling a term to describe homosexual which is about the worst you can use, at Licuria.
Whether or not Licuria is gay (and who gives a stuff he's just a great bloke), and whether or not Milne actually thinks he is, the fact that Milne believes being homosexual is worthy of such a degrading insult says more about him and his amoeba sized brain than it does about anyone else in this scenario.
Mick, understandably irate at being called an old C and hearing his mate and colleague addressed in such a foul manner, has had a bit of a brain snap and without doubt has overstepped the line for a professional coach in his response, which he has fully acknowledged. He would deeply regret this I am sure.
However - and I quote here from a comment I saw on another site which I thought put the case pretty well -
"Regardless of the window dressing the AFL does to promote the proper treatment of women, the culture of many players at all levels of the game from the late teens onwards is not in synch....Mick Malthouse is a man of integrity and old fashioned values and at least he is brave enough to say what he thinks and also what others think but are not game enough to say"
We have to be careful ( unlike Mick) what we say because the relevant charges were dropped... but it isn't exactly a secret WHY they were dropped.
Mick has always been a passionate coach who passionately defends his players, I find this admirable but this time it's got him into trouble. I still would rather see a coach respond as he did than be uninvolved when his player is under attack.
Basically I have minus zero sympathy for Milne and every sympathy for Mick, despite his twin errors of judgement.
In this case I think the AFL have acted as fairly as they could and got it right (for once) with their disciplinary action.
Next time the Pies play the Saints let's hope everyone keeps their cool.
Author: rump86 Timestamp:- 13/4/2010 8:46:40 AM Subject: Re: Malthouse
Message: *yawn*
I've had enough of this issue.
Footy Classified carried on for 20 minutes last night with this rubbish. They didn't once mention the magical work of Cyril Rioli on sunday afternoon. I'm sick of football being dominated by nonissues such as the malthouse spray, why can't we just focus on the onfield exploits of the superstars we have in this game.
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