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Message: # Sat Jun 11 # Weather: Overcast Track: Good 3 Pen: 4.20 Finalised 11/6 @ 7:30 am / Late Rider Race 1 8.20am
***Rail: Out 3 metres Entire Circuit**
How on earth does the rail get moved out 3m for the supposed biggest race day In QLD..?
hope I'm wrong by I see a bit of bias today for those close up on the pace..yes it's a good track but still, after the first it seemed as though not a single horse made any ground from behind.
Message: Thanks for your knowledgeable contribution Mitch, I'll keep it in mind when I'm doing the form in a couple of weeks. I know the language is different in QLD but what part of 'down the outside' is difficult for you to comprehend. Every winner came through the middle or inside. Horses pulled wide for a run in the straight had no hope of winning. Torio's Quest had a saloon passage until pulled 4 wide at the 200m. I had one (losing) bet at EF because I didn't like what I saw. When EF is in top condition horses can come from anywhere and win (providing they aren't hacking along). Will be interesting to see what happens on Winter Stakes day if they put the rail back in the true position.
Author: phil the punter Timestamp:- 13/6/2011 9:40:52 AM Subject: Re: Eagle farm rail out..?
Message: You are kidding Quez.
You didn't see any Bias on Oaks day?
Anything that got way back in the field in a sprint race had virtually no hope.
Not much better on Stradbroke Day but having the rail out probably helped. Didn't really make it any easier for backmarkers though, just those on the rail. Having the rail out probably cost Woorim a victory. I think he would have won the race had he got out at the 300m. People will disagree but his finishing burst over the last 200m is something to behold. Really not sure why an experienced jockey would go looking for runs on a barnstorming finisher(in the straight) off a very wide barrier. Not rocket science that you just bring the horse wide on the turn and let it rip.
Message: Not sure what program you were watching? Sincero made up plenty of ground. Shootoff made a long sustained run down the middle of the track. Woorim never got into the clear. Torio's Quest made plenty of ground off the fence and bolted in...
The track raced very fairly, it's pretty easy to blame the track..more likely case is that your horse simply wasn't good enough if it didnt win yesterday!
Message: Track was not up to scratch for such an important meeting. Doomben was no better on 10,000 day. Makes the run of Frozone which came down the outside (the only one all day?) in R3 even more meritorious.
Message: Not sure you can put Woorim's loss down to the track, I had a small "interest punt" on it so had an eye on it the whole time. It got back as everyone thought it would, Brown elected to ride it for a bit of luck through the middle, couldn't get out and then he went back to the inside got some clear space and made up a few lengths to run 7th. When you are backing a backmarker luck is always going to play a roll and has to be factored in when considering the horse.
Message: I don't care what anyone thinks, that track yesterday at eagle farm favored certain runners, runners that were on pace or sat just off it.
why..?
The overhead camera shots provided on SKY world were amazing, and gave you a good look at the track and rail position.
You could clearly see the worn part of the track inside the rail, where the horse's had raced on Oaks day..the grass looked dead, was looking it had begun wintering early possibly...?
I didn't notice any bias or patterns on Oaks day, yet when they move the rail out a week later there is blatant bias.
This moving of rails during major carnivals is the most annoying practice..yes as a punter you can use it to your advantage later in the day once bias has been established, but bookies do also and shorten up odds drastically on horse's favoring what ever bias has been established.
I think length of grass has a lot to do with how tracks play out, this and when summer grass begins to die off for winter, the underfoot surface can be very loose and shifting even if it's a good 3 and dry..in fact if it's dry it's worse than a wet surface, like running on dry sand at the beach.
Leave the freakin rails alone during carnivals and let jockeys decide what paths to take..unless the track has been brutally carved by the meeting before..let's face it it had been..due to a bog, then runners would have gone wide looking for better ground, so I fail to see how the inside, even if worn from the week before, can be that bad it's unsafe to race on.
If you think that track played true as a good 3, then what happened to horse's like Black Piranha & Woorim etc..
Not good enough..I doubt it, those horse's were in form and ready to fire.
Message: Yea your right,when the rail is out the swoopers usualy havs trouble,races more like Doomben.if u can find a horse that can race on the pace and gets a gate ,your in it for a long way.
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