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Author: infidel Timestamp:- 2/3/2012 3:16:35 PM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: It's madness putting up all those power lines. Most farmers don't use electricity. And what about all that money being wasted on asphalt concrete roads. I've been driving on dirt roads in buggies for 60 years and they are more than adequate.
Author: geelong63 Timestamp:- 2/3/2012 2:10:30 PM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: 2.53/0.45 - similar results to the Internode test. As good as it gets here, and that's after T replaced the line from the pole to the house. They had no choice - the phone would drop out almost every time it rained. Obviously time to turn the thumbscrews a bit more on Internode if you blokes are getting 3 or 4 times the speed.
Author: geelong63 Timestamp:- 2/3/2012 1:58:02 PM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: "Rather ironic that the EU is the cheapest but has the worst economic problems LOL"
I think you're on to something WS. The cause of the global financial meltdown wasn't shonky investment packages, bad legislation and lending practices, poor accountability and regulation...... Fast and cheap access to internet 'banking' meant people could invest in shonky investment instruments much more easily in Europe so therefore they could lose much faster. Brilliant. Standard and Poor's will be knocking any minute.
Message: "1 at some stage in the future most people will need the type of speed that NBN delivers- there is nothing surer.
2 the market will not deliver that speed out of the major cities."
The average farmer doesn't need hi speed internet. It's not like a 2 sec delay makes a difference to their lives. They spend half the year waiting to see if the rains will come and the crops will be good.
While the average bogan sitting in a country pub drinking a VB isn't concerned with high speed internet either.
The owners of small shops, pubs, servos don't require fast internet.
Author: Hands N Heels Timestamp:- 2/3/2012 11:09:20 AM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: Speaking of prices and value for money, this is worth a look to see how Australia compares globally in terms of cost, relative cost, value for money etc:
Author: infidel Timestamp:- 2/3/2012 9:42:27 AM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: and weight special is the type of 5 minute forward thinker that built this great nation.
1 at some stage in the future most people will need the type of speed that NBN delivers- there is nothing surer.
2 the market will not deliver that speed out of the major cities.
A simple problem. You either spend money and cross subsidise to build and maintain a nation, or you cluster in a few spots on the coast and depopulate most of the country.
Author: geelong63 Timestamp:- 1/3/2012 6:50:05 PM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: Apologies for assuming that you hadn't read the details of the deal Betto but your posts didn't suggest otherwise. Not much technical or financial analysis in that opinion piece but another interesting perspective none the less.
I can only say you're doing brilliantly getting top speed on ADSL2. I'm about 1km from an exchange and the best I get is a very unreliable ~1.6Mps and often far worse, with regular dropouts.
WS - the NBN's value is primarily in its business applications as we know. Fibre to the home V node was always going to be a political decision but given the cost of revamping the decaying copper network and the lack of community support for wireless towers it was a reasonable option even in the face of increasing wireless uptake. FTTH/P was a requirement of the independents support in the HoR. Nevertheless I can appreciate your scepticism.
Author: bettowin Timestamp:- 1/3/2012 3:23:20 PM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: Thats all well and good Infidell but I think you you are missing the big picture.
High speed internet is about content.If there is no content why do you need high speeds? The big play is IPTV, you like to watch the races on a Sat maybe the footy on Monday night, the EPL ect ect. So here it comes Telstra insist that the only way they will be a part of the NBN is if Optus TV is bought out and dismantled as such then in a few years lets see what happens to your Foxtell, their play will be that you need to use IPTV on the NBN to get it. That also releives them from maintaining the HFC cable network.
Will Exetel give you unmetered downloads on Foxtell? Telstra will, how far is you 200g Exetel plan going to take you when you start streaming HD tv? A week?
Even if Optus tv stays around you think Optus don't have the same plans?
Author: bettowin Timestamp:- 1/3/2012 2:38:07 PM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: "Betto, quoting The Aus to provide an unbiased view of Labor's NBN is like quoting Twiggy Forrest or twin fatsoes Reinhart and Palmer to provide a fair assessment of the Mining Tax."
Interesting you say that MD, the peice was written by Kenin Morgan who served on Kim Beazley's ministerial committee on telecom reform on behalf of the ACTU.
Which part do you think is wrong?
The part that it was rushed because the previouse plan was a joke? The part where they use tax payers money to buy out Telstra's biggest comp in pay-tv The 3bil they are paying Telstra to release them from a 100 year old agreement they have to rural Aus. The part were Telstra wouldn't get extra wireless spectrums unless they got on board with the NBN and Telstra calling their bluff?
These all all facts.
Don't get me wrong I like the idea of the NBN but they way it has been handled is beyond a joke.
You seem like a smart guy do some research on it yourself.
Author: MD Timestamp:- 1/3/2012 11:46:48 AM Subject: Re: A change of Pace
Message: Betto, quoting The Aus to provide an unbiased view of Labor's NBN is like quoting Twiggy Forrest or twin fatsoes Reinhart and Palmer to provide a fair assessment of the Mining Tax.
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