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Author: quezacotl Timestamp:- 11/4/2012 3:55:43 PM Subject: EURO flat season..2012
Message: There's been plenty of whispers about the French horse FRENCH FIFTEEN, after taking a look at the replays I agree it's a chance in the 1000 Guineas...
Author: Weight Special Timestamp:- 18/9/2012 9:47:47 AM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: "Rex - I didn't say you are wrong about Camelot, you could well be right. I'm just pointing out that you (or your sources) have been wrong before (and I'm sure even you hope you/they are wrong this time.)"
Betting $5 every 2 years not sure why you are so worried ROFLMAO
Author: quezacotl Timestamp:- 17/9/2012 11:27:14 AM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: Could be a real street fighting tussle between Nathaniel and Orfevre in the Arc...favouring Nathaniel at this stage, hopefully gets his softish track this year after the diabolical tar road track last year where he had the race at his mercy and had to be pulled.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 17/9/2012 8:19:32 AM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: No worries Patsy hope you saved your cash. I thought the Japanese horse looked very good without being outstanding. What I did like was he was nice and relaxed and every time Soumillion asked him for something he obliged (big plus having a European rider on him in Europe).
It was difficult to say how much was in reserve and he will need to improve on that run to win the Arc but you get the feeling he will. More importantly Soumillion was singing his praises after the race- could be he is just talking him up but I like to think he genuinely likes the horse. If you got the big odds I think you would have a smile on your face after today.
Author: sg29 Timestamp:- 17/9/2012 8:18:42 AM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: For what it's worth Rex, I have never placed a bet anwhere but the NZ TAB (who don't take futures bets on European racing), and my average futures betting is about one $5 bet every two years.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 17/9/2012 4:31:05 AM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: Watched the Arc trials today with interest. Thought the Japanese horse Orfevre looked very solid without being overly impressive- he looks the sort of horse that only does what is asked of him which is exactly what you want for the Arc. Interesting to note that Christophe Soumillion was very impressed afterwards when talking to the media.
Shareta won comfortably and is or at least has been an under-rated filly for some time. The only thing that worries me with her is her style of racing and that is to sit right up on the speed. It worked last year with the rock hard track but it is highly unusual to get those conditions on Arc day. Most Arcs are run on yielding to soft ground and due to pace makers and outsiders, run at a decent clip which sets it up for those off the speed. If she gets the right conditions would be a major player but I fear she will be there to be shot at if normal conditions prevail.
Saonois won the Prix Niel which is a traditional lead up to the Arc for the French colts. He also won the Prix De Jockey Club (French Derby) and looks to posses his fair share of ability. Having said that it is not a classic year for the 3yo's in France but you cannot ignore the fact that 15 of the 18 past winners of the Arc have been 3yo's. Looks to be one of the better chances for the younger generation and although he needs to be supplemented for the race I wouldn't let that put me of as I hear they are keen to do so.
Camelot can be backed at double figures on the exchanges but has been taken out of the market by nearly all bookmakers. As I said prior the race the Arc was never the plan and if he won the St Leger it was highly likely he would be retired. Not sure what the plan will be now, I guess they will sit down and have a rethink.
Hopefully you took my advice on that one Patsy (and others). Not sure why I copped grief over that and Snow Fairy, just trying to pass on some inside knowledge on the matter-no agenda or anything else. The fluctuations in the betting on SF straight after I passed the information on only quantifies what I said and I think most people would realise after what AOB said yesterday that they had no plans of trying to win the St Leger and Arc.
Now that he has been beaten maybe they will do an about face, but I doubt it very much. And even if they do then those who went in before the St Leger were backing a 5/2-3/1 fav who is now double figures and he is not double figures because he lost, he is double figures because he is highly unlikely to go. Sg29 and Mr Grieves your'e welcome.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 16/9/2012 10:56:45 AM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: Orfevre goes around in the Arc trials today-he is now 2nd fav for the Arc behind Danedream. Camelot has been dropped from the betting having been 5/2 at the start of the day.
Fair dinkum caravan Rolls on is still not out...should of won by 2 lengths min..Buick ran into 3 seperate horse's who wandered into his running..it was so painful to watch, horse gets an inch of room 10m out and bursts through to be beaten in a 4 way photo...'
There was no photo to determine the winner as Sir Graham Wade won by a neck. Caravan Rolls On was in a four way photo for the minors and finished fifth.
Caravan Rolls On was definitely unlucky, but the fact remains, your tip finished unplaced.
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 15/9/2012 6:20:51 PM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: I didn't say anything about her being matched Mr Grieves. Go and have a look at what price she was prior and after I passed on that information. I don't know why I bother sometimes. Yes agree SG29 I hope it is wrong-it's bad enough that Frankel isn't going but if you're keen on Camelot I would be holding off until they confirm.
Doncaster tonight~ race1) Bungleinthejungle..2nd $5.00 Race2) Caravan Rolls On..4th..beaten 3/4 inch."UNLUCKY" Race3) Askar Tau..unplaced Race4) Reyaadah..4th Race5) No Jet Lag..2nd $1.10 Race6) Galician..unplaced Race7)..(the race named in honour of my Great Great Grandfather..Sir Frank Whittle) D!ck Doughtywylie...1st $4.60 fixed
Fair dinkum caravan Rolls on is still not out...should of won by 2 lengths min..Buick ran into 3 seperate horse's who wandered into his running..it was so painful to watch, horse gets an inch of room 10m out and bursts through to be beaten in a 4 way photo...
What ever they aim this bloke for ,here on in just back it...won't be odds but it just wins..wished it had of come for the Cups, would of won the Melbourne on his ear imo.
prolly now goes to that staying cup on Champions day at Ascot.., there are no race entries in it's profile on RP.
Caravan Rolls On 4-y-o (31Jan08 b c) Hernando (FR) (12.3f) Grain Only (Machiavellian (USA) (9.2f)) Trainer Peter Chapple-Hyam Owner Pearl Bloodstock Ltd Breeder Miss K Rausing
Author: Rex Timestamp:- 14/9/2012 8:56:52 PM Subject: Re: EURO flat season..2012
Message: Quez,
if he was beaten in the St Leger and came through the race in good nick then I think they would be having a big rethink about the Arc.
However, If he becomes the first horse since Nijinksy 42 years ago to win the Triple Crown (not forgetting that Oh So Sharp achieved the big 3 for the girls in 85), then he has done more than enough to secure a large fee at stud and at the end of the day thats what it mostly all about.
Message: Doncaster tonight~ race1) Bungleinthejungle Race2) Caravan Rolls On Race3) Askar Tau Race4) Reyaadah Race5) No Jet Lag Race6) Galician Race7) ******* Dougtywylie...(the race named in honour of my Great Great Grandfather..Sir Frank Whittle)
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