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Message: Frankel ran the mile in 1:37.85, which was .69 of a second outside the "course record", on good to soft ground. not too good a time and eleven lengths well why would'nt he, when they the rest cantered to the the line watch the video can he run 1.33 no.............. overated for breeding purposes just like bc the freemasons toy for boosting racing
Message: I mean what, precisely, is the evidence that Excelebration is very good, apart from his ritual floggings by Frankel? I will examine, with an open mind, all his non-Frankel starts.
G3 at the Curragh- win. Croisultan ran second. I won't look at his record closely- the 41/5 win record tells me plenty.
G1 at Longchamp- win. Rio De La Plata ran second. As far as I can tell at a brief look, he's won a couple of G1s in Italy as a 5yo and a G1 in France as a 2yo.
G2 at Newbury- win. Beacon Lodge ran second. His best win is a listed at Haydock.
G2 at Cologne- win. Gereon ran second. His only win was his first race as a 2yo at Krefeld.
2yo Class 3 at Newmarket- win. Point Du Jour ran second. Still a maiden after 12 starts.
2yo class 5 at Doncaster- win. Belgian Bill second. Best win a Class 3 at Doncaster.
2yo maiden at Nottingham- 4th. Planet Waves only win out 12 starts.
What does this tell me about Excelebration? It tells me that he wins races when he's not facing Frankel, but the quality of the opposition is weak.
Now you may chide me for only mentioning the horses that ran second, and reveal out and out champions that finished further back. I contend, however, that the runner up is the best way to judge the strength of the race, on the day it was run. If the out and out champion was in form or anywhere near it, if indeed there were any, why was it beaten by these moderates?
The fairest thing I can say about Excelebration is that, apart from his futile Frankel starts, he has been very, very carefully placed. He's like a boxer who gets pounded by the champ at regular intervals,(and the champ sure loves fighting him) then rebuilds his reputation by beating up on tomato cans.
Firstly let me thank you for taking the time to reply to my post.
It most certainly is not for me to tell others on this forum who they should or shouldn't befriend.
I also don't remember mentioning quez either by direct literal language or by way of implication. However, if you wish to take my descriptive words and apply them to quez then I'm happy to run with it.
I was just implying that rather than give someone who is clearly here to get a reaction what they want, give them nothing.
Author: Mr Lister Timestamp:- 20/6/2012 10:41:16 AM Subject: Re: hype
Message: BB, you want this Wally banned?
Yet you continue to be best buddies with the biggest bulldust artist this forum has ever seen. The bloke that has lied and made up more stories than the brothers Grimm.
How bout we just take him for a gee up and not be so gullible in responding?
Author: willow15 Timestamp:- 20/6/2012 10:16:10 AM Subject: Re: hype
Message: Reverend,
Your ignorance is breathtaking. The mile course at Ascot is not a flat track as we have in Australia and times can’t be compared to what can be run on flat tracks in this country. You have shown yourself up to be a goose, better to keep quiet than remove all doubt should be your motto.
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