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Author: Racing Carrot Timestamp:- 30/6/2012 8:28:46 PM Subject: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: I've tried to put together a decent mix of proven G1 performers and a few unexposed up and comers.
Green Moon 1600-2400m Ocean Park 1600-2000m Niagara 1400-2000m Say No More 1600m Dubosc 1600-2400m Julinsky Prince (3yo) 1200-2000m Dundeel (3yo) 1200-2500m
Author: neptunesdragon Timestamp:- 7/11/2012 12:56:09 AM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: Great tipping once again RC, i respect your tipping. Dont be too disappointed with Dubosc he was very unlucky and this season was just about getting his head right, as still learning what its all about and some very bad rides from jockeys in several of his races getting nutted. Hes out for a spell now but will come back much better in the autumn
Author: Racing Carrot Timestamp:- 6/11/2012 7:51:21 PM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: I really shouldn't have put those distance things on there at the end.
Still 3 new G1 winners was a decent result. On the flipside the two Kiwi fillies I picked so far dudded out and Dubosc has been a real let down for me.
Also managed to avoid having any decent futures wins on Green Moon/Ocean Park/Dundeel which is slightly annoying.
Author: Mantank Timestamp:- 11/10/2012 5:43:07 PM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: Love your work Fergo. I reckon your phantom call will be the intention. Be interesting to see if Lloyd does throw Mourayan in though. He'll certainly be pesky if so. Gees, if the Valley is playing leaders that day, and they pour it on, something like that could sneak it at huge odds. Unlikely, but don't know. All the fun of the lead-up.
Author: Fergo Timestamp:- 11/10/2012 3:43:38 PM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: If the other trainers and jockeys allow the Cox Plate to be a sit and sprint they have no chance.
Gai is putting the 3 in to control the tempo - hers will be 1,2,3 in running if they all get there.
I would suggest Green Moon will pour on the pressure from the 800 on, which is the only way Gai's top two will get beaten. Will Lloyd throw Mourayan in to turn the blow torch up even further?
Proisir will drop off at the 400 and if there are not 2 or 3 challenging Pierro and MJ at that point the race will be over.
All speculation this far out but isn't that what makes racing so much fun.
I'm starting to warm to this filly after a solid first up performance at Rosehill 2 weeks ago where she just ran out of puff the last 50 finishing 3rd only beaten 2xLengths by the Waterhouse trained Urban groove..she's being prepared for the 1000 Guineas by all accounts, so accordingly has been sent down to Melbourne to get some practice.
This weekend she lines up against a strongish bunch of 3 yr old fillies in the Thoroughbred Club Stakes over 1200m. She has drawn a terrible alley in 14 unfortunately, & Hugh Bowman is engaged to ride her.
Depending on how the track plays, the outside alley's could be an advantage, particularly if the track gets enough rainfall, but if the track stays firm and there is a noted leaderish bias, then she will seriously have her work cut out and may just go round for the workout.
She's $13 & $3.82 on Fixed odds markets, she might just be worth an ew stab, but definitely one to follow through the carnival for mine.
ROLL THE BONES - $51.00 & $13.50 for the Thousand Guineas.
Author: Weight Special Timestamp:- 11/10/2012 10:16:59 AM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: Sav's CP was one of the worst and MV sectionals are slower due to the track shape. You are not comparing like with like.
MJ's 2000m win was a sit and sprint. It's a Dundeel has not shown the ability to sprint like that and was left flat footed by Prosoir and only won because Prosoir died the last 50m.
Author: cjhughes Timestamp:- 10/10/2012 10:13:44 PM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: Weight Special, Now that you have raised the sectional for Its a Dundeel, you should consider the fact that his 36.38 was recorded on a G3 surface over 2000m at Randwick in the racetime of 2.02.63. Compare this with the performance of More Joyous in the QEII Stakes also run in 2012 over 2000m at Randwick on a G3 surface. Her final sectional was 34.55, but in a race time of 2.05.33. The race time difference equates to 2.70 seconds, which in lengths at 7 lengths per second is equivalent to almost 19 lengths. So I don't think it is valid for you to claim that Its a Dundeel could not overhaul More Joyous or even Pierro based on a finishing sectional alone. For that matter, why can't Proisir out speed them all, he lost by a whisker to It's a Dundeel in the Champion Stakes, three weeks after recording a final sectional of 34.32 in the Spring Stakes in Newcastle? For the record, Savabeel ran a final sectional of 35.98 in taking out the 2004 Cox Plate in a time of 2.06.88 on a good track, (racing as a three year old). So You Think's three year old effort was 35.31 in a considerably faster 2009 Cox Plate of 2.03.98, also on a good track.
Author: Fergo Timestamp:- 10/10/2012 7:26:04 AM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: WS,
Aren't those sectionals the sectional for the race not the horse? I can't find the Randwick splits but I reckon he was better than that and the overall time for the 2000 wasn't too bad.
Author: quezacotl Timestamp:- 9/10/2012 9:13:53 PM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: I thought I posted LET GO LENNI in this thread a couple of weeks ago, but perhaps it's not this thread but another...
From Barrier 1 on Saturday in the Guineas he should jump and run and be the leader on the paint, no one wants to tip against Pierro for obvious reasons, but I really think this horse LET GO LENNI will still be right there at the line causing those trying to chase him down, a right royal headache...hopefully he can hang on for a place at least, I'll have 1 the win 3 the place on him this Saturday.
Author: cjhughes Timestamp:- 9/10/2012 5:42:37 PM Subject: Re: Your Horses To Follow For The Spring
Message: Weight Special, Proisir is not just a Choisir, possessing both stamina and speed, he might be a throwback to Encosta Delago who's dam was a Star Way broodmare, the same sire of Our Waverley Star, who certainly didn't run too bad when second to Bonecrusher....
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