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AFL umpiring

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Author: lostclarity 
Timestamp:- 10/8/2012 8:47:33 PM
Subject: AFL umpiring

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Last Saturday night’s contest between St Kilda and Collingwood was a bad time for football. The game had an unusually high number of incidents piled on top of the farce that has become AFL umpiring.

It was probably the first time in my life I have thought a bias might have been deliberate. The decision in favour of O’Brien that cost St Kilda a draw had a basis in nothing to do with what happened. O’Brien was not touched and a result was ruined. It was Collingwood as beneficiary. It could have been worse by a little but not much: it could have been Essendon.

Brendan Goddard didn’t calm down post-game, and neither had many St Kilda supporters of my acquaintance by Monday. If an umpire misses something, that’s one thing, to see something that wasn’t there is quite another.

The game is played at life pace multiplied by, who knows, perhaps a hundred. That means intensity of the pressure cooker variety: your average impassioned player will swear more, punch more, spill emotion out of its seat more, wave, gesticulate, headshake [insert your own words] more. And players are now being punished for swearing at each other.

We have a great game. Enter the umpire with an imperious boss-attitude passed down from the mastermind Demetriou. The umpire is instructed not to understand all this bad behaviour. What he does is get involved without the bumps and body-on-the-line; he doesn’t feel a thing, and that’s lucky for him, not that he knows. He is permitted to stand back and go through the gears, regulate events, oversee it all in that safe detachment which has now run to self-love, I feel sure.

He might, if he becomes possessed by his importance offer advice. A season or two ago a field umpire instructed a player on how he ought to kick for goal from a position beyond fifty. And it’s enough that we have to see it: now we must listen as well. And like rugby, a man is now called to book, admonished head down, and then punished, and punished again when he reacts like he doesn’t like it. Where is Phil Carmen when you need him?

There was a time when we didn’t notice umpires, when the whistle was put away, when policemen were not officiating… When players with the merest trace of common sense ignored them [mostly] as insignificant because they were. Umpires wore whites not colours and they melted into the background in accordance with their be-seen-and-not-heard role. Now they presume to know with emphatic and obnoxious certainty what was on a player’s mind when a ball is kicked, and fifty metres later it trickles out of bounds.

I can deal with arrogance born of charisma and robust self-esteem and skill and team play that produces passages that are the reasons we follow the game. I don’t mind a Carey or even an Akermanis. But just what is it these guys bring to the game that is exclusively their own.

Certainly not on-the-job ideas. They follow a rulebook plus and/or minus any weekly adjustments made by suits behind closed doors.

Take their bright colours from them and put them back in the background, instruct them not to intervene in stuff that has always stayed on the field and let’s get back to creating results that are earned only by the men on the ground.

Do I hate umpires? Yes, they take from us. And I hate what’s behind them causing all this mess.

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Author: squid69 
Timestamp:- 19/8/2012 10:09:44 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Lister, they had just come to the realisation that their parole periods were ending...
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Author: Mr Lister 
Timestamp:- 19/8/2012 8:05:40 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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The umpies must have been atrocious last night at Etihad.

A lot of the crowd booed continuously.

Until the last quarter anyway.

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Author: squid69 
Timestamp:- 18/8/2012 10:17:47 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Watching the matches so far this weekend, looks like the debacle that was Eagles v Cats last weekend was simply a bad dream for those involved.
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Author: Zed 
Timestamp:- 18/8/2012 10:00:22 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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It is also deliberate out of bounds if the ball is punched over the line on the full from a ball up and it will be given as a deliberate rush behind, and free kick, if it is punched through on the full for a behind from a ball up.
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Author: muirfield 
Timestamp:- 17/8/2012 9:35:38 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Thanks Lister.
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Author: MD 
Timestamp:- 17/8/2012 11:17:10 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Greyshot - maybe not the outcome of last Friday's match but it would be very naive to say that they don't affect the result of any match.
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Author: Mr Lister 
Timestamp:- 17/8/2012 8:28:55 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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If its a marking contest Muirs then no.

If its from a boundary throw in and intent is to find the line yes.

If on his own and he hits it straight out yes.

Would be very stiff to be pinged for punching to spoil under pressure. That would be wrong.

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Author: singingtheblues 
Timestamp:- 17/8/2012 7:31:53 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Author: greyshot
Timestamp:- 16/8/2012 5:23:50 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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AFL umpires do not effect the result of the match. Friday nights game between WCE and Geelong is proof of that. Geelong kicked 8 goals from free kicks and still lost.






So the "result" was affected.

West Coast should have won by the margin the won by, plus another 8 goals.

That's a change in result.

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Author: muirfield 
Timestamp:- 16/8/2012 8:39:07 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Hi Lister,

I was just wondering. If a defender does a huge fist which propels the ball out of bounds whilst under pressure in defence, is that a penalty for deliberate out of bounds?

It's been on my mind for awhile now.

Thanks Lister.

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Author: greyshot 
Timestamp:- 16/8/2012 5:23:50 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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AFL umpires do not effect the result of the match. Friday nights game between WCE and Geelong is proof of that. Geelong kicked 8 goals from free kicks and still lost.
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Author: nigeltufnel 
Timestamp:- 13/8/2012 9:31:15 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Couldn't agree more betto. The other night I saw a little Thai fellow absolutely robbed in the light fly gold medal match. It was nearly as bad as Fenech; but nothing will ever top Roy Jones jr.

Olympic boxing is a joke.


Nige

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Author: MD 
Timestamp:- 13/8/2012 11:49:07 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Disgaree STB. On Friday night there were 32 free kicks apiece. Are you really saying that on >60 occasions the umps were justified in stopping play? What about Milne's free kick on Harry O'Brien - was that there too?

The other thing that is a bit bemusing is that the umps seem to officiate by different rules, ie let the game go more, when it is a close game.

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Author: singingtheblues 
Timestamp:- 13/8/2012 11:10:39 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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quez,

What did tiggerish say that was bitter, angry and/or twisted?

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Author: singingtheblues 
Timestamp:- 13/8/2012 8:20:03 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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MD,

I don't think the game is "over officiated" at all.

The free kicks that would have gone un-noticed in days gone by, are simply being paid now - because they are there.

You may have got away with holding onto a jumper for a few seconds, when your opposite number takes a mark, in years gone by, but these days you cannot. This isn't "over officiated". The free kick is there.

The players have been told, and they know this.
If they choose to go against what they've been told, then expect the consequences.

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Author: quezacotl 
Timestamp:- 12/8/2012 8:23:30 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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You're an angry twisted bitter man Tigger.....
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Author: bettowin 
Timestamp:- 12/8/2012 5:01:46 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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If you think the umps in AFL are bad you have to watch a replay of the boxing gold matches. Oh dear.
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Author: Poindexter 
Timestamp:- 12/8/2012 2:25:54 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Dean Cox,, Punch .. Out of Bounds

Wot Game were Ewe watching,, Go watch the Replay,, The ball was Punched into the running Line of an Eagle player who just couldn't get to it Quickly Enuff before it went outta bounds,, May I add about 20 metres up the Field

Again,, watch AFL,, a lot of players hunt the Boundary line when it looks that they are unable to take Clean possession, or Hear Footsteps coming

Keep the ball in play at all costs,, The Umpiring Last Friday Night was Excellent



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Author: lostclarity 
Timestamp:- 12/8/2012 12:20:50 PM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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... and that Dean Cox play penalised would have meant the game was on the line.
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Author: lostclarity 
Timestamp:- 12/8/2012 11:00:07 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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One thing I would add to the farce that was Friday night, the rule states 'deliberate', so there has to be benefit of the doubt.

The game is being interpreted along the lines of the ball must be kept in otherwise a penalty will apply.

By the way, Dean Cox late in the game punched a throw in straight out. That was almost certainly intentional.

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Author: geelong63 
Timestamp:- 12/8/2012 7:12:02 AM
Subject: Re: AFL umpiring

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Childish nonsense Lost Clarity. You should be embarrassed but no doubt aren't. "Hating" umpires is the stuff of tweenagers, wet behind the ears 20-somethings, and people who have never played the game or officiated themselves. Umpires aren't perfect. We can criticise reasonably, even rant and rave in the heat of battle, but "hating" umpires isn't, or shouldn't be, part of any adult's repertoire.
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