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 Author: chut_will_win_1_day
Timestamp:- 8/11/2004 6:26:39 PM
Subject: makybe diva in the arc lol
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Sure she is a great mare but lets be realistic, does anybody here honestly think she could be competiyive in the arc. She has beat second rate horses two years in a row and never once left the fence both years and only just beat shes archie and it would run tailed off in an arc. Ok she beat vinnie roe this year but he covered extra ground all the way. I think the owners r dreaming and if i was a bookie i would be offering odds of 150/1 or better thank you for reading chut ;0)
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 Author: Grandma Dawn
Timestamp:- 13/11/2004 4:33:56 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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And what a run that was at WFA! Beaten 4.5 lengths by that WFA star Grand Zulu. Those Euro trainers will be quaking in their boots with a 2 mile handicapper contesting their number 1 WFA race.
Vinnie Roe was beaten nearly 9 lengths in Dalkhani's Arc. She will have to go half way around the world and improve 8 lenghts in the process.
Why not aim for the French and Irish St legers instead?
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 Author: Todman
Timestamp:- 13/11/2004 11:54:49 AM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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I reckon Freedman has the mare going better than when Hall had her.
More maturity or a training regime that suits her better - who knows.
My point is that her effort in the BMW is not now her top form and perhaps the Arc is a realistic target.
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 Author: patsy fagan
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 11:02:11 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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Rule Of Law/Quiff/Ouija Board are outstanding prospects for next year..North Light ran his race on Derby day and dissapointed after..Rakti looked sensational when dropped back to a mile..Haafhd looked the same when stepped up to 2000m..outstanding bunch there..
Patsy
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 Author: infidel
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 10:08:49 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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The BMW was run in 2.25, as fast as it gets. She was set for the race, she ran 4.3 lengths third.
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 Author: greyshot
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 7:20:08 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
Message:
Info
You should get together with Patsy, you put horses in categories and thats where they have to stay for life. Makybe Diva has had about 23 starts in her life, she has won 9 of them and only 3 of those have been at 3200m. Mathematically she has won twice as many races at less than 3200m. She has actually won at 1600m, does that make her a miler ? She has won a Group 2 race at 2500m and been placed in the 2 most highly rated "open age" 2400m races on the Australian racing calender (Caul Cup and BMW).
Think outside the box ! If they set her for a 2400m race then she will be primed to run a very fast 2400m. And yes it will probably be the last run of her campaign.
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Author: infidel
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 4:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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Der, greyshot, might that be because she is a two miler, and a two mile race is usually the last race of a campaign?
Are you seriously deluding yourself into thinking that she wasn't "wound up" for the BMW, and the BMW wasn't the main autumn target?
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Author: melbourne cup
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 1:37:54 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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Yeah I know grey one. Freedman said he was thinking of a yalumba/mv cup prep until he spoke with hall who said she didnt need the extra run.
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Author: greyshot
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 12:29:29 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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Melb
Further to that point MD has won the last race in 4 of her last 5 campaigns:
Spring 2002 Group 2 Queen Elizabeth
Autumn 2003 - had brief campaign of 3 runs, ran on from last each time finishing on the heals of placegetters (pipeopeners for spring ?)
Spring 2003 Group 1 Melbourne Cup
Autumn 2004 Group 1 Sydney Cup
Spring 2004 Group 1 Melbourne Cup.
When she is fully wound up, at her peak fitness she wins.
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Author: melbourne cup
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 12:26:45 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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When you consider MD was 2/2 at the distance and 0.5kgs under WFA she was well weighted given her ability.
Northerly was 0/0 at 3200m and he got 1.5kgs over WFA in the Cup. Rather poor handicapping. Should have been allocated WFA of 58.5kgs and he would have started.
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Author: greyshot
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 12:23:30 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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M/Cup
Yes but you get my point don't you ? If she met the other 23 from the cup at WFA how many of them would carry less weight (than they did in the cup) ?
From now on she will actually be advantaged by racing in WFA events. They will become her focus and so far in her career when she has been set for particular race she has won it.
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 Author: eagles111
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 11:53:03 AM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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LOOK.... Its Lee Freedman's DREAM, ever since he could remember to have a runner in the ARC.
He has had his share of great horses, but nothing "special" at 2400m.
This is his chance, but I just think that the mare would be a year older and mightnt be right by the time the ARC races.
IF she were to be right she must have a early Autumn say leading up to an AUSTRALIAN Cup then spelled. ( NO SYDNEY TRIP_.)
Just freshen her up and fly her over in September and try her out then.
She is still lightly raced...Lets hope they dont jeapordise anything by running her in Sydney again.
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Author: infidel
Timestamp:- 12/11/2004 11:33:04 AM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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The French will produce yet another 3yo next year who will go into the Arc at his 5th start, win by 5 and then retire. It doesn't matter how weak this years crop are- and they are weak.
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Author: gwynne
Timestamp:- 11/11/2004 9:55:40 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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Why does everyone say her BMW run was a dissappointment? She finished only 4 lengths behind a horse who ran more than a second below the course record. I think she has matured even further this spring and considering she carried weight for age in the Caulfield Cup circling the entire field all of which was at least 5 off the fence to get within a head she'd have to be a chance over 2400 at WFA. Longchamp with its false straight should suit her even more because she would be able to go at the same time as she did in the CC and have a much easier run.
Not much has been heard about this year's European classic crop but North Light didn't seem to do much in the Autumn. She will be competing against horses who may be hardy but Ouija Board is the only horse she'll be giving weight too and it'll be like half a kilo by October.
I think Ascot could suit MD. Any horse that has won 3 times at 3200 twice carrying weight for age has to be a chance over 4000. Of course you would never know until she tried. She's definitely not a flukey one off stayer though.
Obviously the owners and Freedman are very serious about going overseas because the alternative is 1 race a year, the BMW.
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Author: patsy fagan
Timestamp:- 11/11/2004 8:48:43 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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JR the Ascot Gold Cup is 4000m..horses that look great over 3200m fall in a hole when cruising in that race and find nothing..too hard to tell as theres only one 4000m flat race a year here..
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Author: patsy fagan
Timestamp:- 11/11/2004 8:26:07 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the arc lol
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"Furthermore if they use a pacemaker she will be unbeatable"...one of the most stupid things ive ever heard..so if they go a good pace in the Arc Makybe Divas a certainty eh..why???...because she beat Vinnie Roe by a length over 3200m ??..do you think all our top middle distance horses that win races all over the world on Turf including Breeders Cup Meetings that some of them might also want a strong pace on??horses that Australia has never seen...do you think all of them have the turn of foot of a very good but dour 3200m horse such as Vinnie Roe??..you probably do..Vinnie Roe was outclassed in the Arc by Dalakhani who could pick up and carry Vinnie Roe and still win and that was on unfavoured soft ground as he was a fast ground horse..anyway you keep making statements like that..
Patsy
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 Author: Moleboy
Timestamp:- 11/11/2004 4:55:39 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the irish st leger
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Wishful thinking on my part, but I could talk myself into jumping on a plane if I could watch her take on Vinnie in his race.
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Author: Moleboy
Timestamp:- 11/11/2004 4:54:20 PM
Subject: Re: makybe diva in the irish st leger
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Wishful thinking on my part, but I could talk myself into jumping on a plane if I could watch her take on Vinnie in his race.
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