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 Author: evattoski
Timestamp:- 18/11/2004 7:30:38 PM
Subject: Let's race a horse
Message:
Hey forumites just a thought on what you all think about the possibility of fellow "forumites" buying into a yearling from the sales of next year?
Ideally a syndicate of up to 10 people would be ideal! All names in the racebook,raceday entitlements and privaleges etc.
I am only seeing what interest is out there and at what level of financial interest would you all be confortable with.
Any ideas of horse names,it could be interesting.
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 Author: fatjack
Timestamp:- 22/11/2004 1:37:38 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Vo,
Cyril is a great guy, I had a Vo Rogue poster I bought many years ago, same time as I bought the port. Anyway I took it to the races at Murwillumbah one day to see if Cyril would sign it for me. Well not only would he sign it he said to me because it was actually part of a limited edition set that I should get it signed with a special pencil which he had, but not with him. Anyway I organised to meet him at the Gold Coast a couple of weeks later and sure enough Cyril had the special pencil. That print now holds pride of place on the wall in my bar, pity about the port though it's almost gone.
Hopefully I'm off to Murwillumbah again next Monday, it's a great little race track with the friendliest racing people you could run into, might even run into Cyril if I'm lucky. I think it might be my shout.
Cheers
FJ
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 Author: vo_rogue58
Timestamp:- 21/11/2004 11:52:04 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
FatJack,
Funny how everyone remembers the regular jockey of Champion horses, had Cyril Small not been Vo's regular rider it would be a case of Cyril who ?
Looking back over the years
Phar Lap & Jim Pike
Bernborough & Athol Mulley
Tulloch & George Moore
Kingston Town & Malcolm Johnston
Manikato & Gary Willetts
Bonecrusher & Gary Stewart
Sunline & Greg Childs
Champions not only ensure that they won't be forgotten, but also that their regular partners will be remembered also.
Instead of Cyril who ? it's, Oh yeah, he rode Vo Rogue.
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Author: Great Saintly
Timestamp:- 21/11/2004 10:04:09 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
ive talked about making my own syndicate and have convinced 6 of my frens to join me when we all have enough money!!
but i need a few more to make the syndicate a 10 ppl operation
LOL
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 Author: Wulkuraka
Timestamp:- 21/11/2004 2:07:55 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Fatjack..
well i was just speaking in general but you need to be damn lucky to have a horse which remains sound and can be successful at the same time. Thankfully my family now breed their own horses so the sales ring is not an issue. We use a couple of trainers who have great repuatations and who dont charge rediculous rates. But yeah we have a 4YO by Sequalo who has a heap of potential but just keeps hurting itself. 6 weeks ago at toowoomba it smashed its head on the barrier stalls as the gates opened and knocked out 4 teeth. It ran a miraculous 5th (vet said it was close to being unconcious after the race)
Anyways sure there are the bad aspects but there is no better feeling in the world when they win. Puts you on a high for weeks :)
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 Author: Ant
Timestamp:- 21/11/2004 12:31:38 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
What about racing and sports starting one. Picking 50 of its most loyal supporters.....
It wouldn't cost much and it would be a bit of fun.
$1000 each
50k purchase
and 50 per month taining costs.....
That would be a bit of fun....
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Author: fatjack
Timestamp:- 21/11/2004 11:18:51 AM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Vo,
LOL, you've got that right although after a week or so and a few trips to Nudgee they recover very quickly, quicker than the owner's anyway.
Go Vo, I see Cyril yesterday rode at EF, still going strong. I'm down to my last bottle of vintage Vo Rogue Port at the moment, very very sad.
Cheers
FJ
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 Author: Flight
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 9:47:33 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
evattoski
Interesting comments from some but not too many positives.
I would approach things in a slightly different manner.
1. Pick your trainer. Not a flashy type but someone that can communicate. If they train in provincial or country areas better still. Just make sure that they can train black type winners and can travel their horses just in case you get a good one. :)
2. Get the trainer to short list prospective purchases. Outlay will be up to the prospective owners.
3. Alternatively, wait until after the sales and go into a horse that the trainer has already purchased. Maybe the trainer would like to retain a share???
4. Let the trainer do his/her job. If an Esk maiden is the go as opposed to the black type city race then so be it.
5. Be patient. Very, very patient. The horse will tell you what it can do, not the other way around.
:)
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Author: fatjack
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 7:51:53 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Wal
I think we might be in the same horse, commiserations, Trainer's told me today it needs to be gelded, now how do you feel.
Cheers
FJ
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 Author: heavytrack
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 7:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Email sledging of the jockeys is the best part of it. Hindsight sledging of the trainer due to poor placement is entertaining as well. When the horse is spelling it is even fun because everyone sends each other emails about which Group 1 should be targetted for the horse next prep.
The average horse wins once every 6 starts - thus, assuming 2 weeks between each race, there is approximately 10 weeks of owners venting their frustration at each other, the jockeys and the trainer, followed by 2 weeks of correspondence suggesting that 'this horse could be the next big thing'. Then the cycle starts again.
If you are lucky enough to jag one that can win on a Saturday in town, especially on a big day (even if you are in the restricted race on that day), I can assure you it is all very, very worthwhile.
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Author: Wulkuraka
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 4:40:29 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
i think theres nothing more frustrating than racing horses..(have done so for many years)sure there are positives..then there are the negatives..
1. Find a horse that fits the budget that you like (near impossible to do)
2. Find a trainer that doesnt charge $800+ a week and hope that he gives a $%^& about your horse.
3. Pray that the horse makes it to a trial after what feels like a hundred years (especially if you buy it as a yearling)
4. Hope that when and if the horse makes it to the track that the owners will agree (if you even get a say..if your in a syndicate you have zero say in anything) where it will start and who will ride the horse.
5. Panic over the barrier draw and the field you are racing against 2 days before the race.
6. On the day drive 1-2 hours in full anticipation of a win in its first start..when that doesnt happen you feel like giving the game away there and then as you are emotionally exhausted and have blown every cent you own on it in the ring.
7. You get a call from the trainer a few days later telling you that the horse has kicked the float and needs to go out for 4-6 weeks. The vet bill arrives in the mail and you cant believe how expensive horse cream can be. Finally it races again after 6 weeks then needs another 3 weeks off between runs so its not flattened. By this time its nearly 4 years old. Finally after 6 or 7 runs it might be fit enough to win a maiden probably when you least expect it and have only $20 each way.
Other than that, its all good :)~
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 Author: dancambo
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 1:28:46 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Lawyers around the country are licking their lips in anticipation of this syndicate....call the horse "White Elephant".
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Author: vo_rogue58
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 12:50:34 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Let's race a horse ?
ARE YOU KIDDING !
If the race is over 1000m then I'm gunna want at least 950m head start, unless it's Star Of Florida that I'm racing, then I'm gunna need 998m.
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 Author: OliverFan
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 12:20:49 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
con you have no idea, 90% of the people on here wouldn't know the first thing about racing a horse and there would me too many cheifs.
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 Author: ladyemma
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 12:06:46 PM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Well done boys! it is good to see the lads with an idea or two. as i am in this game already here is a couple of tips from one who is spending way more than i am earning at present.
Option One: dont skimp the $
Ownership; buy a GOOD horse with expert advice, vet check and good blood. Split that between the syndicate up front. That way you dont get a maybe cast off from the trainers. You decide on terms, training and runs, not the other way around. Also a good idea to have your potential trainer attend the sale for their advice too.
Horse: Racing is a brutal game and can be cruel to the unweary, dont skimp on your horse, get a top flight nag that is certain with the right ingredients to do well. Your horse must be bred for and targetted at a specific distance.
Where to buy a horse like that? sales like the Gold Coast Magic Millions yearling sale. Look at a horse like lot 415 session two, a Zabeel bay colt out of muto princess bloodlines to sir tristram, diamond lover and octagonal under the hammer early jan 05. A horse like this would be a good stayer with plenty of potential as stallion after a 3 or 4 year career if it did well.
Contract, get a contract drawn up between all parties to jointly own and train the nag which includes fees and expenses.
12-18 months of training and you have a horse ready to go. If nothing else you will have a horse which is very valuable to sell off or trade sydicate shares with high flyers or go through the highs and lows of a racing career.
Option two: buy a tired old glue pot on the way to the nackers, fill it up with steriods and instal a pacemaker, tie it to your car and drive about every day till it gets fit or dies then send it to the provincials and see if you can make a 100 from a run which will probably be as much as the horse cost you.
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 Author: The Phantom
Timestamp:- 20/11/2004 8:13:18 AM
Subject: Re: Let's race a horse
Message:
Evattoski,
Considering that the simple question of ?should we own a racehorse? has already sparked a few spats, I shudder to think what would happen down the track!
Imagine the all in brawls that will occur when it comes to agreeing on important matters like what colour horse should we get? (it could take years to find a suitably bred/priced grey horse!)
Put yourself in Speedy?s position ? imagine the fights come race day between himself, northerlythegreat and melbourne cup over who gets to wear the owners badge!
Need I go on??
What the hell, let?s all chip in for one and call it "ROFLMAO?.
;)
Cheers,
The Phantom.
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