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 Author: THE ALMIGHTY ONE
Timestamp:- 27/9/2002 9:52:03 PM
Subject: SATURDAYS MAIL!!!!!!
Message:
Sydney Races
Race 1)Secret Land trialled very well as did Hasnah and Cons Amy either of these could win I would look toward the value runner probably Cons Amy
Race 3)Billy Whiz showed alot of natural speed in latest trial and should just win, Danger from Berber
Race 4) Private Steers last start win was very very impressive and would want to win this, the danger in the race would have to be Prophet Jewel with Jim Cassidy on board, one thing to note is that the last time the Cassidy brothers were riding for Steve Englebrecht on a frequent basis there was a 4yo coming through the ranks called Referral
this one could be above average.
Race 5) Force Apollo
Race 6) National Treasure very good win last start and should go on with it.\
Race 7) LOHNRO, DEFIER
Race 9) Micas Pride
Melbourne Races
Race 1) Edgeton will win but will be short
Race 4) I Scream was very impressive on debut at Sandown a few months ago and if he has improved on that run then he is just about unbeatable in this, just hope he doesnt get too far back.
Race 5) Dane News, The Almighty One
Race 6) Sea Rover
Race 8) Squillani, Dashiki
Race 9) All Black Symphony
Best Bets
Micas Pride
I Scream
Force Apollo
Edgeton
THE ALMIGHTY ONE HAS SPOKEN
CHEERS AND GOOD PUNTING
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 Author: JB Cummings
Timestamp:- 1/10/2002 10:21:10 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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what did you want him to do.
be dead last and 8 off them at the turn???
That was just about his only choice, and i dont think the owners would have been to happy with that one.
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 Author: Bluey H
Timestamp:- 1/10/2002 1:34:58 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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Preacher I'd like to put my two bob each way on this.
Full marks to Munce for the way he put Defier to sleep in the race until he shook him up before the turn.
Defier was almost snoring behind Sunline who was reefing about.
There are too many what ifs about this race but the way Munce positioned Defier, put him to sleep then used tactics to legally block Lonhro, I reckon he deserves 11 out of 10 for the ride.
And I would worry about Sunline, yeah they ran slow early sectionals but she was thinking it was a 900 metre race.
There's plenty left in her yet.
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Author: JB Cummings
Timestamp:- 1/10/2002 12:50:56 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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driver look at the race a couple more times ie. more than once from some different angles down the straight and especially the front on, and you will see that it was not bad riding by beadman that lost lonhro the race but munces blatent inteference in which he came in about 2 horses to block lonhro of a run that was rightfully lonhros.Be sure if lonhro had found another gap and lost by about a head beadman would have protested and won the race.
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 Author: stan
Timestamp:- 30/9/2002 11:34:34 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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If Defier has the fastest sprint in racing, how did Excellerator make up three or four lengths in the George Main? We also hear that Defier out-sprinted Lonhro in the Warwick Stakes, and will therefore do it again at will, but it's simply not true. The first 600 was run in a crawl that day, and, 800 from home, Lonhro was not only giving Defier a start, but covering a lot more ground. As much as I like Defier, he's going to be as vulnerable as the next horse when he races without luck - such as he did in the Doncaster, trapped off the course, and could only run third.
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 Author: driver
Timestamp:- 30/9/2002 10:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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Well said tontonan .
But the truth is Beadman can't ride and it is only his association with hawkes that gets him in the winners stall .It was his ride that stopped Lonhro , not the amazing intellect of Munce .
So the same goes for both trainer and jockey ,just give the horse room
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 Author: Gary Still
Timestamp:- 30/9/2002 6:20:20 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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Almighty One, you say a loss of momentum explains why Lonhro didn't sprint. Preacher your explanation is that he kept getting blocked for runs.
With some horses, you need to work on them before they stretch, while others, can sprint sharply from the first crack of the whip.
If Lonhro falls into the first category, you may well be right, but I can't see how you can be confident about your conclusions and dismiss other peoples.
While a horse is looking for an opening, he is getting cover and is running at three quarter stride. When it ultimately finds the gap, he is ENTITLED to run home BETTER than anything else and if he doesn't, the OBVIOUS conclusion is that he is DISAPPOINTING.
Neither of you were disappointed with the runs and have offered reasons with which I disagree. If it turns out you are both right, I congratulate you.
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Author: BB
Timestamp:- 30/9/2002 12:51:19 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
Message:
Well put.
One thing I would like to say is that I feel Beadman wanted to trail Defier and keep him in sight after the Warwick Stakes debarcle and that is why he sat him on the trial on the rail.
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Author: The Preacher
Timestamp:- 30/9/2002 10:09:23 AM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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The bottom line is that there are a number of "what ifs" arising from the George Main and despite people's opinions on the matter, we will never really know whether Lonhro would have won with clear running in the straight.
To use the argument that "Lonhro didn't jump
out of the ground when he finally got clear therefore would not have won" demonstrates ignorance. If a horse gets blocked for a run as repeatedly as Lonhro did, they lose all momentum and have to start from scratch when clear. It was obvious Lonhro was only getting warm on the line, but that's not to say he would have beaten Defier, although there can be little doubt he would have gone past the mighty mare.
Beadman has been inevitably slated for the ride but realistically who expected Sunline to fold like she did after being given all the favours up front like she was?
If Sunline puts a length or two on her rivals at the top of the straight, Beadman follows her then checks off heels and Lonhro has nearly 400 to wind up in the straight. But there is a fine line between a clever ride and slaughtering a well fancied runner... and no punter, owner or trainer is going to forgive a jockey who never sees daylight in a 6 horse field.
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 Author: Tontonan
Timestamp:- 30/9/2002 8:55:51 AM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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Really people!
No one could be more cynical about the hype that surrounds LONHRO! than I am but lets be fair. I backed the winner, but I wouldn't want the race run again with LONHRO! getting a clear passage. The Almighty One spelt it out...although I wouldn't go so far to say he'll beat them all for the rest of the Spring.
This was a typically farcical Australian wfa race. They walked for half a mile with the customary helter skelter to the line. This is the kind of race LONHRO! usually revels in. Its the type of race he usually wins. But he simply never had a chance to run at them, thanks to a beaut peice of work by Munce. I say that because I backed Defier. If I had backed LONHRO! i would have been livid.
For weeks I have been hearing LONHRO! fans telling us that this horse can take a position anywhere in a race, can jump tall buildings with a single bound, etc,etc but when his connections finally summoned the courage to enter him in a group 1 race they instruct the jockey to take cover behind the leaders and don't waste a penny. In a 6 horse field ! The last time the jock took him 3 wide (goodness) at the top of the straight the connections accused him of slaughtering the horse. The connections want us to believe he is some kind of superhorse but when ever the handicapper assesses him the horse faints and the trainer spits the dummy clear out of the cot.
Bring him to Melbourne, let the rider use his own initiative and let us see what LONHRO! is made of. But dont expect the horse to win the race in 75 metres. That's crazy.
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 Author: Horlicks
Timestamp:- 30/9/2002 5:46:40 AM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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I'll take you up on that, Defier will definitely beat him again this prep and if Sunline needed that run to come around which I think she did she can beat him home too.
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Author: driver
Timestamp:- 29/9/2002 11:34:08 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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I agree and it is about time someone has shown the ability to analyse a race . Bring on the Cox Plate
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 Author: muirfield
Timestamp:- 29/9/2002 9:34:46 PM
Subject: Re: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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True to some extent except that he was balanced in the last 50 and didn't do much.
Even if he had got the run and headed Defier the winner would have kicked and outsprinted him.
Would have been the Warwick all over again.
There is no faster sprint in racing.
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Author: THE ALMIGHTY ONE
Timestamp:- 29/9/2002 7:35:12 PM
Subject: LOHNRO DIDNT MAKE UP GROUND LATE
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I have read just about every post up on this site at the moment and what amazes me is the amount of people who are saying that lohnro could not pick them up with 75 or 100 metres to go, this is a horse who went for one run and he got squeezed up, then he went for an inside run about 50 to 75 metres later, that closed up then he just went to the line as if he didnt even race, the reason he didnt start coming again is because of a little thing called momentum all the horse in the race infront of him had a pretty clear passage to the line and were at top speed when he had the 2 incidents, but I will say one thing Defier or Sunline will not beat him home again this Preparation.
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Author: Gary Still
Timestamp:- 29/9/2002 6:04:17 PM
Subject: Re: SATURDAYS MAIL!!!!!!
Message:
Almighty One, you have spoken, but have you ever seen a horse caught 4 wide in a 4 horse race? I have. And guess what, it was the fave and ridden by a top jock.
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Author: THE ALMIGHTY ONE
Timestamp:- 29/9/2002 8:54:04 AM
Subject: Re: SATURDAYS MAIL!!!!!!
Message:
Not too bad a day, one thing that always amazes me is when horses get stuck in a pocket in a 6 horse race, I have never ridden or anything like that but it just amazes me.
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 Author: Bullett
Timestamp:- 28/9/2002 8:37:46 AM
Subject: Re: SATURDAYS MAIL!!!!!!
Message:
Adelaide info for today.
Race 1 - Miss Vodka - very speedy. They won't catch her this class.
Race 2 - Lung Tah - trialled brialliantly at Murray Bridge recently. Stable rider on board. Should be decent odds.
Race 3 - Thanks A Bundle - good strike-rate and a bit stiff last start.
Race 5 - Rally - runs on well fresh and looks to have too much class.
Race 6 - Oxford Dollar, Mustaagel, Terminus Prince, Carlin - Oxford Dollar rana top race over this trip second-up after having a setback. Fitter and has a great record here. Next stop Victoria.
Race 7 - Eden Roc - first-up but will be primed to run well. Great trainer.
Race 8 - Slick Racer - bursting to win
Moonee Valley
Race 8 - Squillani - suited at the track and galloped at the Valley earlier this week. Top young trainer.
George Main
Sunline too good.
Good luck to all
Early one for tomorrow.
Victoria Park
Race 2 Around the Block.
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 Author: Hitchcock
Timestamp:- 28/9/2002 2:02:44 AM
Subject: Re: SATURDAYS MAIL!!!!!!
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SR5 :::
FORCE APOLLO
Just looks the goods, but stranger things have happened.
SR6 :::
NATIVE JAZZ
Should be too good, provided he doesn't get bashed about Sky Heights-style from the inside barrier. On his last chance.
SR7 :::
DEFIER
Sunline will lead and I'm gambling that condition might be her downfall here. When she goes for home - what odds that Beadman panics on Lonhro. Even if it's only slightly, Munce then has the upper hand. Any mistakes from Munce and Corey Brown on Shogun Lodge can swoop and win this, provided he's in peak condition as Bob Thomsen promises and doesn't given them TOO much start. Cracker of race and I really think the rider's hold the key. Even with what I think might be a lack of condition, if Childs outfoxes the other hoops, he can get Sunline home.
SR8 :::
GABFEST
The form around him is very good. Gets a weight turnaround on Phoenix Park and the extra distance will suit him better. Salgado, Kingsgate and Red Hannigan, each second-up, may be ready to produce and are the dangers/others for multiples.
SR9 :::
HEPTONSTALL
Looks a special. Has won over this track/distance first-up previously. Looks the class horse. Have a lot of time for Mica's Pride and, though inconsistent in the past, has strung a couple of good ones together now. Looks a good quinella.
MR5 :::
THE ALMIGHTY ONE
Good 3rd behind Court of Jewels last start after being wide throughout. Think the Valley may suit him.
MR7 :::
DOT COM
Ready to produce.
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