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Author: Khaptingly
Timestamp:- 9/2/2011 7:20:11 PM
Subject: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
Did you witness anyone backing another Odds-On failure today?
Did you witness anyone backing Odds-On failure Star Witness today?
I say yes to both of the above. But knowing that I Layed Star Witness, helped ease the sorrow I felt for the Odds-On punters.
As I said many years ago, punting is all about value. No horse in Australia deserves to be Odds-On in a field of 5 or more. They are just not good enough to be Odds-On. Wasn't there a rumour this horss was going overseas. What for, an African Pony Club.
Some galahs will come here and call this another after the race tip. It isn't. I am merely stating what has happened.
Regarding the wisdom of backing Odds-On. That is not after the race either. I said it over 5 years ago.
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Author: ron turcotte
Timestamp:- 15/2/2011 7:12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
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Quezacotl, I suppose it's a moot point given today's news, but I saw the first up run very differently. The jock wanted to get off the fence but wasn't going well enough to take a run after they straightened up. He had no alternative but to switch back to the inside. As you say, the going there wasn't as good as out wider, but I was more concerned that SW took a long time to beat off the leader, who was in a similar part of the track.
The switch back to sprints is the right call IMHO, but it will be a good training feat to freshen him up again if he's had a lot of miles put into his legs.
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 Author: quezacotl
Timestamp:- 15/2/2011 4:05:15 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
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I wouldn't be too hasty in writing off star witness, the horse is too brilliant a colt for that, don't forget the inside was off badly at sandown plus wasn't the distance of the race changed?
A change in race day coupled with a float trip to a new track can make enough of a difference to a win or place only, mind you I struggle to understand why the jock chose to stick it out on the inside of the pack when by the time that race was run it was clearly evident that out widest was the better going.
That race was not his grand final anyways, I think he's a super 7furlong horse and could if trained differently be a great miler, has to be ridden cold though and that is never easy in big G1's.
I'll be having something on him for sure in his next couple of runs, particularly at the juicy odds currently being offered.
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 Author: nigeltufnel
Timestamp:- 13/2/2011 8:12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
Good post Pindi.
Khrapper pontificates against those who back horses racing at odds-on which get beaten; but when they win, he [miraculously] hasn't backed them.
His whole facade is the biggest load of fallacious hogwash, and everybody knows it.
Nobody believes him. He still wants to be taken seriously.
A bit like supporting Tony Abbott, really.
Nige ;-)
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 Author: pindi
Timestamp:- 13/2/2011 11:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
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Yes, another great week for you, Khaptingly.
You dont announce Star Witness as a lay, yet you jump on the net as soon as it loses and announce that you are a champion because it lost.
You are asked if you are going to lay Sepoy & More Joyous.
No reply.
Then, after they both walk in, you say you didnt lay them - because you dont lay everything odds-on.
Classic.
Isnt that the just point that everyone else here has been trying to make to you all these year? That racing is not a "one size fits all" exercise. That you pick and choose what to back on and what not to. That each race is an assessment on a stand alone basis and applying a blanket rule (especially one base around the price of a horse) doesnt work.
Well done for finally catching up.
And to think you had to act with such immodesty, dishonesty and false bravado for all these years just to get on the same page.
Oh, and the word you are after is "sight", not "site" - there another tip for you.
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Author: Khaptingly
Timestamp:- 12/2/2011 7:21:48 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
I don't Lay everything in site. Unlike Manu does in his dreams.
That is why I have only Laid 28, plus Melb Cups, in a decade without a mistake.
I Laid Typhoon Tracy at $2.20 for big money.
I Backed it this morning at $2.82. Now that is great trading,I must say.
Oh what a wonderful day.
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Author: pindi
Timestamp:- 12/2/2011 5:28:00 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
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I was waiting for an answer to my question.
Predictably, nothing arrived pre-race.
Anyway, care to tell us all now - did you lay Sepoy and More Joyous?
Just keep you answer to that question. Thanks.
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Author: bkmac
Timestamp:- 12/2/2011 3:36:22 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
How much did you lay Sepoy and More Joyous for ?
At least you knew youd done your money along way from home so it wasnt to painful.
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Author: Khaptingly
Timestamp:- 11/2/2011 9:32:49 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
I will gob off about all 3 I Laid in the 2010 Cup.
It doesn't matter if they were 2/1, 10/1 or 100/1. I have won more than anyone who backed them to win. And this is exactly what I told you to do pre race. Lay them for the win.
It has nothing to do with place betting them. If you lay a horse to win on the exchange, they don't ask you do you want a place bet to go with that.
Why has no one supported Rex on his stupid replies? Because everyone knows he is talking rubbish.
I am laying the win. It has nothing to do with place betting.
Rex you need to know that I have laid over 50 selections on this site including Melb Cups without an error. They were all Lays to win, and it doesn't matter how many ran the place. They were Lays to win, not Lays to place.
My oh my I love Laying, whether they are 2/1, 10/1 or 50/1 or 100/1. It's all profit each and every time, no risk and never a backward step.
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 Author: Rex
Timestamp:- 11/2/2011 10:53:25 AM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
Why would you gob off about laying a horse at 10/1 (i.e taking 1/10) that runs 2nd? If someone was advising me to lay horses at double figure odds that were running a drum Id drop them cold. Do I make more money from those who said to back it or more money from those who said to take the very short odds on quote of 1/10??????????
Keep swinging Khappo
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Author: Khaptingly
Timestamp:- 10/2/2011 10:58:28 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
Rex is proving his stupidity once again. No one in the world supports him on this argument, well his argument.
Now listen here monkey brains. I Layed MaLucky Day. In other words I backed it NOT to win, as I did the other 2. And I might add the dozens in Cups before this and of course 28 Lays in various other races over a decade. Not a mistake in sight.
So listen up. Why would I back it, when I have Layed it. Do you often play reversal roles with yourself like this.
And don't forget a 10/1 Lay, does not even compare to the fools who take Odd-On for the win bet. Odds-On backers have to have their selection win, 10/1 Layers, any Layers don't, it can run 2nd to 24th.
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 Author: Poindexter
Timestamp:- 10/2/2011 3:36:04 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
Good to see that the Dribbling Experts of this Racing Forum have all turned up on the same Post.... Where's SIFTER
Pretty easy wasn't it.....
Star Witness to carry the Grand Standstand
Last Saturday .. I had Bullbars to beat it home... I don't follow up Midweek..
Punt.. Trifectas/Pick 4's Banker 1st and 2nd
Hot Dannish... already was looking at others re Lorne Dancer
One thing about Krapper absolute Liar/Pane in the Glass .. but from a Punting point of view normally technically correct
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 Author: geelong63
Timestamp:- 10/2/2011 12:09:33 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
Okay, where do you LAY so that I can get some of your 'winnings' coming my way (wouldn't want to see you out of pocket when BC and Sepoy win)?
Seriously, when a horse is rated lengths ahead of its opposition then it has to be offered up at very short (red) odds - at least until 'the market' decides where it is heading. To do otherwise would see a quick trip to the poorhouse. However, as we all know, shorties get beaten and the trick is to know when the lay is 'smart' (simple risk/return for the pros). Noone ever gets it right all the time - you'd be going well to get 60% correct but at short odds that will give a big player a very nice result over time (eg Tommy W took on Hot Danish on Sat and another corporate was giving black odds about Star Witness prior to the Caulfield cancellation. Both reasonable lays prior to the race).
My 'philosophy' is good luck if you are an 'amateur' layer (who cares about the corporates, not me), but better luck to you if you are a punter looking for a winner (of any sort in any sport).
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Author: MD
Timestamp:- 10/2/2011 12:09:02 PM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
But last chance, KhrapAxlSpider only lays odds-on pops that lose. Funny thing is you'll have to wait until after the race to find out which ones he's laid.
Truth is, KhrapAxlSpider got absolutely smashed last spring laying the likes of SYT and BC.
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 Author: infidel
Timestamp:- 10/2/2011 9:55:31 AM
Subject: Re: Were you a Star Witness
Message:
What are they going to do with Star Witness and the plan to keep the stud valuation bubble inflated, given that he isn't a miler and he isn't good enough to beat Black Caviar or an at-peak Hay List?
If he was mine I would head to Europe, where the competition is not so hot, as soon as possible.
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