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 Author: Relic Hunter
Timestamp:- 14/7/2012 6:54:00 PM
Subject: Richmond Did It Again
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Well it was another great game this round but was it worth the money long term for Richmond to sell their home game? I think not and Richmond kissed another winnable game down the dunny with 4 points. I would have rather played the Gold Coast at the MCG in the cold Melbourne Winter and walked away with 4 points.
Did you go Tiger and what was it like at ground level? A cracker of a game I would suspect?
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Author: Relic Hunter
Timestamp:- 19/7/2012 12:05:54 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Holy demolition of the Bogans there with that response Geelongman.
It’s Alfred with the emergency Geelong signal. Quick to the Geelong cave there is not a moment to lose.
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 Author: geelong63
Timestamp:- 18/7/2012 11:29:52 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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I blame the carbon tax and Benny Gale, but Benny mostly. He obviously underestimated the inability of bogans to put a pair of 2s together. I'm sure we all look forward to the same inane question next year.
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Author: Relic Hunter
Timestamp:- 18/7/2012 4:50:06 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Good to see you could come bounding in like Batman Geelong. What took you so long and have you found Robin yet? Or was it that you have you been on retreat or holidays with Julia??? Ahhhhh I know what you were doing now. You had a brainstorming session with Julia on how the win the next election. Did you guys come up with any new election promise to break?
Yes champ we all knew that Richmond signed to play games in Cairns for three years. The question I was asking on this thread and last year’s thread was signing to play games in Cairns worth it? I think not and apparently so do many Richmond fans.
In fact I would say the tiger faithful are getting a little restless like the Labor voters who are beginning to turn on the Julia and the Labor party at the next election. So Batman go find Robin and bound into the Bat mobile. Then you mission is to go save Julia and the Labor Party from the evil Tony Abbott and the merry men of the Liberal Party.
PS if you can maybe you can help work out the lovers tiff between Julia and the Greens as well. I hear it is causing her sleepless nights.
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 Author: Poindexter
Timestamp:- 18/7/2012 2:40:52 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Ewe all MISSED the Richmond point of selling games in Cairns
Mr Arrogant, Know it All, the best Richmond President ever, sold the games on the Premise that he thought.. Note Thought
Richmond would WIN the 1st 2 encounters easily, while the Gold Coast were a Fledling side
Munnies for nothing and the public of Cairns entertained for a few $000,000.00 per POP
Possibities of making the Finals were never considered because every Richmond follower knew that there team would be firmly entrenched within the Top 8 if not Top 4 by the midle of the season,, Ewe only have to check back on here at the start of the season, they all had Richmond in the Top 8
I don't care who Ewe are, Richmond have not improved over the Past 30 years,,,
This year the Crows have jumped over them, by season's end, Ewe could also place Fremantle and possibly Brisbane over them
Ewe clowns don't understand that other teams below Richmond Last Season, have also improved, more so than Richmond,,
Listerfool,, First time I (saw/took notice of) the Kanga's last Fridee nite,,,,
They play like that ala, West Coast, Carlton
Richmond are Dead and buried for 2012
The Kanga's at the moment are the Form team in the League
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Author: geelong63
Timestamp:- 18/7/2012 11:51:06 AM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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"SO why on earth would you sell off your home ground advantage and put yourself in a position that you could disadvantage your sides chances of winning and risk losing the 4 points?"
Déjà vu all over again. You asked the same question last year and no doubt will again next year. The reasons have been explained publicly and are available to anyone with an internet connection.
To paraphrase: Richmond signed for half a $mill per season to play home games in Cairns. They needed the money to put a side on the field and keep their club alive as a Vic based entity. If they had alternative sources of funds they would have kept their home games.
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Michael Warner
Herald Sun
July 16, 2012
Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale fronted a fan forum on the club's website this afternoon amid the fallout from Saturday night's calamitous loss to the winless Gold Coast in Cairns.
Asked about the club's decision to play a home game in Cairns, Gale said: "In 2010 the club opted to play home one home game in Cairns for the next three seasons.
"The decision was taken for a number of reasons, one being our weakened financial position and the critical need for the club to build its financial resources, and in so doing allow us to invest in our football department.
"An improved financial position allows us to provide our players with the coaching and resources they require to build on the clear improvement we have seen in the past two years.
"It will also assist us to be active during free agency, to build the depth of our playing list, and retain our high-quality players.
"It is in the best interests of the Richmond Football Club to build our financial strength now, and the decision was based on our needs."
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 Author: tigerrish
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 8:40:30 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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It was a given that Richmond would not be playing anymore home games outside of Melbourne once the contract ran out.
But wasnt anything to do with losing games because of the venue, its more about keeping the Melbourne based members happy.
Anyway, I dont think they would make the finals even if they did s******* home on Saturday. They will need a dramatic form reversal on the past months form, otherwise the Roos will wipe the floor with them, they are a team playing well at the moment.
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 Author: muirfield
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 7:45:04 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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The problem with your thesis STB is that I know longer care about winning or losing "debates" on anonymous internet forums. For sure there was a time that I did, but I look back on those times with embarrassment.
I would have thought North and Richmond coming 9th 3 of the last 4 years proves my point. Especially after I saw in another thread recently that Lister had finally come around, after 100 years, to my views on the utility of hyperbole. But no I'm always happy to be proven wrong by Lister.
Don't get me wrong. Lister, the forum's own auto correct, does a great service to the site by being here 24/7 correcting the record when wrongs are done. I'm very envious that he has so much free time. Sure we can all say that if we had all the free time in the world that we wouldn't spend it 24/7 on an internet site, but can we be so sure.
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Author: Relic Hunter
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 6:16:51 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Lister I watched on the couch with the Paul Roos 50 worst seconds in football. Yes there were at least 10 errors and Gold Coast players everywhere. I also watch something similar by Paul Roos on North Melbourne v Port Adelaide on the couch.
Paul Roos I think is a very good at showing things to us and explaining why and how things happen in games of football. I think that Paul Roos has a great football mind and is a great coach.
I also agree he was a little harsh but he was 100% correct and that is why Richmond and North Melbourne are on the fringe of the 8. Good teams just don’t make those sort of errors out on the ground. It also show that the good sides have very good leaders out on the ground and just don’t make the errors that Richmond and North Melbourne made in both of those examples.
Lister I also agree location and climate shouldn’t worry the sides that have the cattle to take anywhere to play and win. In most case these are the sides in the top 4 or 6. Not the sides knocking on the door of the 8.
When you are Richmond you need to bank all the wins you can to put yourself in a position to play in finals. SO why on earth would you sell off your home ground advantage and put yourself in a position that you could disadvantage your sides chances of winning and risk losing the 4 points?
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Author: Relic Hunter
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 5:22:37 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Tiger yes once you give a side a start it makes it just a little bit harder. I’ll give you a tip also it takes more energy to chase the other side with the ball than it does if your side has the ball. When you get tired is when you make mistakes just ask anyone. Playing in a hot humid climate that you are not used to takes more out of you than playing in a climate that you are acclimatised to.
Yes I’ll agree that it is a tad warmer in Cairns than it is on the Gold Coast. But you would have to agree with me that Melbourne far colder than the Gold Coast and Cairns? SO some advantage would go with the side that lives in the warmer state where they drink mixed drinks with a straw and little umbrella. Compared to the arctic state of Victoria?
Also thanks for asking but I’m very well travelled thank you. So I get out and about and have seen plenty of Australia and overseas.
Seems to me Richmond is thinking of the home ground advantage now. A press release at the AFL site said no more cash for selling home games. So after next year’s game in Cairns they won’t be moving a home game again. Wonder why? Maybe it has something to do with home ground advantage?
Tiger what I am saying has nothing to do with the draw for Brisbane, West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Gold Coast and the GWS.
What I am saying is selling the home game for cash was a bad decision. Richmond would have to be in the top 4 or 5 clubs membership wise. SO if Richmond wins games the members come out in droves. If Richmond start losing the members rip up their memberships and plenty of yellow and black jumpers can be found outside the MCG gates.
SO when you need to win every possible game that you can to make the 8 WHY on earth would you sell off your home ground advantage? It is simple fill the seats and sell membership and you won’t need to sell home games to cover a finical short fall.
Well the Cowboys did well then even if the Storm did have a few key players out with injury. The fact remains that Richmond is the only team who hasn’t beaten the Gold Coast Suns and will miss out on the finals again. The Richmond supporters aren’t silly and the drums are beating from the supporters at another disappointing result after losing that winnable home game against the Gold Coast.
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 Author: Mr Lister
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 4:12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Paul Roos did a very good critique of the finish of the game labeling it the worst 50 seconds of football in history. They ran the footage and whilst I think he was being a tad harsh, North did something just as diabolical against Port earlier in the year, what was shown was bordering on pathetic. 10 simple mistakes in that time period led to two easy goals. Gold Coast had loose players from half back to the forward pocket. It was quite damning and in its essence, very lazy football. For mine the venue is irrelevant. If a team aspires to be better than it has and is on the verge of finals football then it beats a team that has won one game in the last 30 odd anywhere. It's that simple.
I expect Richmond to take stock this week and then shake the living daylights out of the Kangas on Sunday. They must. Otherwise this will be just another season of promise gone awry. The difference this year is, they are a better team. Most people would probably agree with that. They need to show it this week. Or most people may not agree with that by seasons end.
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Author: Mr Lister
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 3:47:55 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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If something is complete Muirs it's definitive.
You can't add to it.
Just try sticking to the facts when telling the story.
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Author: tigerrish
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 2:48:17 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Relic,
I think you need to look at what Hardwicke actually said after the game.
He stated that their biggest problem was letting the Suns get out to a 6 goal lead and then having to chase them down. A very poor first half, thats what cost them in the end.
The warmer weather may have played some part but it was very minor and its for both teams. The Suns dont have any advantage playing in Far Nth Qld because they arent from anywhere near this area. If you think the weather on the Gold Coast is similar to Cairns, you need to travel a bit more.
I've been a Richmond support all my life and I've heard all sorts of excuses trotted out for losing. And this one regard the home game switch is yet another.
The Brisbane Lions won 3 flags in a row and they didnt have any favours thrown as far as where they played certain games. The Eagles have contested and won several titles, so to the Swans and none of those sides are anywhere near Melbourne and have had to play the majority of their away games in Victoria during winter.
It never affected them to the point of bordering on missing the finals because of it.
As for me travelling to Victoria, I've been down there twice in the last 15 years, last February and the other back in Sept 2004. But thats irrelevant as I live inland from Cairns where during winter the overnight temp will drop below 10c regularly and during the day it'll be in the low 20's most days.
An interesting one for you though. If the cold weather is seen to be such a hindrance to the point of being the difference to a sporting event, maybe you need to take a look at the result of the Melbourne Storm v Nth Qld Cowboys match.
Game day was Saturday, kick off at 5.30pm. Melbourne are on top of the ladder, they are playing at home in Melbourne against a team coming down from the heat of Nth Qld and are only missing one key player.
Nth Qld beat them for the first time in 11 years in Melbourne.
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 Author: singingtheblues
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 2:38:34 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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If you were in a pointed debate with Lister, muirfield, you would be deducted points.
His life or how he feels about it, has nothing to do with this.
He corrected you, because you were wrong.
You now need to either re-but his comments in a challenge, or concede you were wrong.
One or the other.
Another favourite of fools in a losing debate is "Why are you getting so angry for?"
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Author: Relic Hunter
Timestamp:- 17/7/2012 7:41:35 AM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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Tiger the fact that Hardwick isn’t getting involved in that game switch is most likely because he had to be one of the key Richmond men in signing off on the deal and the game switch.
Richmond made very costly errors in the last minute of the game and I believe due to fatigue and the weather conditions played a huge part in it.
Like I said earlier you make mistakes when you get tired and the hot steamy conditions will do that to a side that trains and mainly plays in cold Melbourne town. Believe it or not but the conditions do make a huge difference in things. Take the lads out of a cold miserable Melbourne then take them up to Cairns where the weather is hot and steamy. What do you get a recipe for disaster?
I asked you earlier Tiger how do you find the Victoria conditions when you come back down to visit in winter from Cairns??
Dex believe it or not Richmond is improving and Hardwick has been one of the key factors in this. Richmond is starting to move in the right direction and hopefully will keep showing signs of improvement.
Igesia I agree Wallace was a very good coach.
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Author: tigerrish
Timestamp:- 16/7/2012 10:27:13 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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"Which would mean the trip for Richmond to Cairns is approx. 3200kms, whilst the Gold Coast only approx. 1800kms"
If they were travelling by road that would be relevant, but these days they tend to fly.
A direct flight from Melbourne to Cairns takes approx 3 hours and 15 minutes.
Gold Coast to Cairns, 1 hour 55 minutes.
You might be on to something though, the Suns played like they started an hour and 20 minutes before the Tigers the way the first half went.
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Author: Mr Lister
Timestamp:- 16/7/2012 8:08:22 PM
Subject: Re: Richmond Did It Again
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FYI muirs,
North have finished 9th the last two years.
Going back beyond that they finished 13th, 7th, 4th, 14th, 5th, 10th, 10th, 7th.
In the last 10 seasons they've made the finals 4 times, finished 9th twice and 10th twice. You're guesswork is wrong there as they have made the 8 the same amount of times as finishing 9th or 10th.
Richmond have finished 12th, 15th, 15th, 9th, 16th, 9th, 12th, 16th, 13th and 14th. That's 9th twice, never 10th and last or second last twice each. Your guesswork that they too always seem to finish 9th or 10th is wrong there too. They have hardly ever finished 9th or 10th in the recent past and have nearly always been in the bottom 3rd of the ladder.
You're pretty good when it comes to AFL, but nowhere near it here.
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