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 Author: The Shu
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 2:50:22 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
In my HOTY system which will be posted the day after the Brisbane Cup some of the categories are exceptionally close.
HOTY - no secret that Lonhro will win.
Sprinter - Regimental gal and Exceed and Excel are separated by less than one point. RG goes on to Brisbane while E&E English runs will count.
Middle distance - Lonhro again
Stayer - Again less than one point between Makybe Diva and Mummify.
2YO - Dance Hero but definately not a contender for the big prize.
3YO - Special harmony has a good lead.
Filly/Mare - Again less than one point separates Private Steer and Special harmony.
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 Author: Tontonan
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 12:50:39 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
Infidel,
I am more a Hall of Fame man myself. The HOY is too limited in its scope. That Bounding Away should have one of her mantlepiece and Luskin Star doesn't makes the point nicely. Luskin Star raced the same season Surround (rightly) won the HOY and he never had a chance despite the triple crown, massive margins, fantastic times. He beat 2yo's, she beat all comers.
There were no Surround's in Bounding Away's year. The other contenders would been the kiwi Bonecrusher (who won the HOY the following season) and Tristarc. Bonecrusher won the Tancred and the Derby. Tristarc won the Underwood, Yalumba and Caulfield Cup and returned in the Autumn to win the QE Stakes. The only other contender was probably Hula Chief who won a Lightning and Doncaster that season as a 3yo.
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 Author: Bell Flight
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 12:33:20 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
HOTY - Lonhro through weight of numbers more than anything remarkable
2YO - Dance Hero
3YO - tough to call between Starcraft and Exceed and Excell ... need to give this more thought
Mare - Private Steer
Stayer - The Diva
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 Author: CK Dexter-Haven
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 12:31:23 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
Did they change the rules (after Choisir) so that overseas performances are included?
If so, a couple of victories in England would push Exceed & Excel into contention?
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Author: return-of-infidel
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 12:03:58 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
I can't believe that Bounding Away won HOTY as a 2yo. Who were the contenders?
Shows how much interest I have in worthless trifles like awards. I was keenly interested in racing in 1987, but had no idea of Bounding Away's great honour, until I read about it here yesterday.
The only honours worth winning are those you win out on the field/track. All the rest is hot air.
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 Author: Grandma Dawn
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 11:27:53 AM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
What about E&E for 3yo of the year? 2 open age G1, including the country's top sprint and the other leadign in track record time
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 Author: Speedy Gonzalez
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 9:29:43 AM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
starcraft won a non aged restricted grp 1 - what did niello win again?
starcraft is a moral for 3yo of the year. dh is a moral for 2yo of the year. lonhro will win hoty based on no of wins.
e&e is the best sprinter.
makybe a shoe in for best stayer.
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 Author: catweazle
Timestamp:- 20/4/2004 8:16:22 AM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
Hitch, I'm with you 4 out of 5.
Lonhro is the best of good things for HOTY.
With the 3YO, I wouls go for Starcraft. Starcraft beat Niello in the race that matters most and deserves it more. Niello did win 3 G1's, but failed in the "classics" he raced in, the 3YO of the year has to win at least 1 of the real majors.
It's probably out of Starcraft and Special Harmony, however I'd go for the colt, also because he rolled SH in the Derby.
For sprinter of the year, it's clearly between Exceed & Excel and Reg Gal, with E&E in front by a whisker (unless RG runs amok in Brisbane).
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 Author: Hitchcock
Timestamp:- 19/4/2004 10:16:32 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
I personally don't believe that any horse that doesn't win outside of age-restricted (or otherwise restricted) company should even be eligibile for HOTY honours, let alone considered.
HOTY : LONHRO, but like others have suggested, if Mummify had've nosed out Grand Zulu in the BMW, he should have got the honour ... I dare say he wouldn't have tho.
2YO : DANCE HERO would be the obvious choice as 2yo of the year.
3YO : NIELLO would get my vote as 3yo of the year. He won Group 1s in the Spring and Autumn. So did Special Harmony, but they were all in fillies grade. Starcraft close as well.
Mare : PRIVATE STEER. Close with the Diva, but Private Steer was devastating in winning events with more depth to them and deserves to be acknowledged. I would also take into consideration that Makybe will be honoured with the Stayers award.
Stayer : MAKYBE DIVA.
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Author: Tontonan
Timestamp:- 19/4/2004 8:17:43 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
I have strong prejudices.
I am prejudiced against 2YO racing as far as the HOY is concerned, and I am definately prejudiced against the Magic Millions - a restricted race - even coming into consideration . The emphasis on 2YO racing and those sales restricted juvenile races is sucking the quality out of the Australian Thoroughbred as far as I am concerned....but that is another rant, and akin to complaining about getting older - its going to happen and there isn't much I can do about it.
For mine, the Horse of the Year is a foregone conclusion : Lonhro, the outstanding thorughbred in season 2003/04.
2yo : Dance Hero
3yo : Starcraft
HOY : Lonhro
Mare : Makybe Diva .... but it will be close, Private Steer has much to recommend her.
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Author: Bell Flight
Timestamp:- 19/4/2004 7:59:07 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
Lonhro gets it for sure - even with the Aust. Cup as his only big win. If Mummify or Makybe Diva had won the BMW, might have been different.
Funny isn't it that poor Ethereal missed out a few years ago and she won the Cups Double and the BMW, yet Lonhro will get it this year with the Aust. Cup and only lead up G1's!! Seems wrong doesn't it?
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 Author: mcgarret
Timestamp:- 19/4/2004 7:27:34 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
Tonto/Ollie
When I first saw the post I didn't give it much thought, but then I wondered "Who are the other legitimate contenders".
Makybe Diva - Melbourne and Sydney Cup and zip.
Lonhro - Yalumba, George Main, Orr Stakes, George Ryder, Aussie Cup - 5 G1's
Private Steer - Donny and All-Aged after missing most of the Spring
Reset - no Spring but unbeaten with two G1's in Autumn.
Starcraft - No spring and two G1's in Autumn.
FOO - Cox Plate and zip
Mummify - Caulfield Cup and St George Stks
So...I suppose Dance Hero stacks up OK with three G1's in a fortnight plus the Magic Millions.
Any others you can think of??
I think he might be a hope to run second with Makybe Diva third.
This industry can be very sentimental and I'm sure the phrase "consolation prize" will be on the minds of most voters.
Lonhro it is.
Not a champiom - but Horse of (this) Year.
Cheers....Mcgarret
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 Author: moonchase
Timestamp:- 19/4/2004 7:19:51 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
no way.
i am a huge fan of the horse and he is a certainty for 2yo of the year, but to give him horse of the year over the likes of lonhro and private steer is crazy.
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Author: Tontonan
Timestamp:- 19/4/2004 5:26:52 PM
Subject: Re: HORSE OF THE YEAR - Dance Hero??
Message:
Would you give the champion player in the Under 19's the Brownlow Medal ? I wouldn't.
Would you give the best performed kid in Little Athletics the Sportsman of the Year Award ? I wouldn't.
The racing media would. They gave the HOY to Bounding Away in 1985/6. The owners of Tristarc should have sued.
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