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What do we have here, a nothing parasite sucking blood out of a champion to grandstand your way into some pitiful acknowledgement. Out of bed early are you to chuckle to yourself alone again about the muck you've raked over?
Enough of the name calling, forget the K Dill; I think that she should be more aptly known as K Dull.
Reason: It would appear that she is so dull that she does not even seem to realise that she has been snookered regarding her apparent high regard for Manikato, who was beaten as a youngster, as opposed to her disregard for Winx, who was also beaten as a young horse.
For some reason or other, she is so dull that she fails to see the hypocrisy in seeing one as a champion and the other as a non champion.
These replies are just brilliant. I could not have hoped for better.
Here we have Theking setting his trap by asking for the names of horses that have beaten an unbeaten horse. I imagine that his next cunning plan will be to ask for the names of the bowlers that dismissed Bradman in each of his not out innings. He then congratulates Tufnel on recognizing his cerebral achievement.
If that is not enough, then the next act in the comedy show is Gary rewriting the English language to cover up his big goof in reading.
Just when you think it could not get any better, in comes The Parrot with his pearls of wisdom. Any dunce would know that when Black Caviar met Moonlight Cloud, the latter had not won over 1200 metres and the best achievement had been a lowly Group Three. This calls for the "Highland Reel" procedure. You go forward and find a better race and then revert that achievement back to a defeat to bolster the credibility of the winning horse. A bit like a "champion in waiting" manoeuvre used to great effect when trying to defend horses that have beaten nothing.
"I don't trust the form anymore, it is virtually irrelevant when you look at some of the results. I follow the money when it drifts and lay accordingly"
This is exactly the path that I was attempting to lead poor old Gullible Gladys down, before she wakes up and finds out that she has been snookered.
Obviously we can add Tulloch, Might and Power, Octagonal etc... and god forbid for Gladys, MANIKATO to this list.
Your call Gladys if Winx is not a CHAMPION then neither was Manikato etc. On this basis the only real SUPREME CHAMPION out of all the Australian horses of the past must be the unbeaten BLACK CAVIAR.
Your insults do not have any effect on me Gary but do think it is irresponsible to misquote posters and then hurl abuse.
If you would care to read my comments, or alternatively, find someone who can read them to you, you will find that I said I do not trust the form anymore, not that I did not read it.
Gladys, you said: "As for Theking, of course he (Manikato the pancake champion) lost to Galleon. He was a gun three year old."
I would have to agree that Galleon was in fact a gun three year old, but I fail to see what his 3yo status has to do with beating your pancake champion Manikato into submission multiple times. Galleon beat Mamikato fair and square three times and for your information dopey two out of the three wins over Pancake kato were as a FOUR YEAR OLD. Fancy not knowing this well know bit of racing trivia, a novice would know this. God it must be embarrassing being you!
In the first of these 4yo victories the Pancake Man ran 6th and in the other he finished 3rd. The pancake (unlike Black Caviar & Winx) was flattened by some pretty unheralded horses eg. Opera Prince 1/G2, Forgone Conclusion 1/G1, Demus 1/G2, 2/L, Private Talk 1/G1, 1/PR. Correct me if I am wrong here but I am reasonably sure that most will agree that none of these horses would be included on the list of GREAT horses of this era.
It is also worth mentioning that the poor little pancake was beaten twice by Karaman, 2nd the first time and 5th the second time embarrassingly over pancakes pet distance of 1400m. Are theses FACTS intelligent enough for you Gladys? Yes that's right Gladys, FACTS, feel free to discount any of these FACTS if you have the intelligence to do so, but I am reasonably sure that you will NOT have the intelligence to discount any of these FACTS. Failure to do so will be considered that you have yielded to and acknowledged the SUPERIOR intelligence of your King.
Perhaps you could show us all just how intelligent you are Gladys. I challenge you to come up with a list of horses that have beaten either Black Caviar or Winx at least twice, or as in the Pancakes experience being beaten three times by the same horse. Failure to take up my challenge will be considered as an admission that the Man was in fact a pancake champion and that both Black Caviar and Winx were/are SUPREME CHAMPIONS.
FLEM 12Mar11 1200m Good3 NEWMARKET Group 1 $1,005,000 ($605,000) Luke Nolen 58kg Barrier 7 2nd Crystal Lily 50kg, 3rd Beaded 52.5kg 1:07.36 (600m 32.69), 3L, [email protected], [email protected], -------------------- Would be hard to imagine even Winx carrying 58Kg in a Newmarket 1200M and running such times.
OUT IN 34.67--- HOME IN 32.69
Given Winx is not a 1200m Horse and the MIGHTY Black Cavier was.
"It is coming Gary. Be patient, after all we have waited two years for your contribution."
Nothing worthwhile is coming Gladys. You've already admitted that you do not look at form, so your knowledge about the standard of racing in Australia is zero.
I've been waiting for two years also. After Winx won her 1st Cox Plate, you said you would lay her heavily for her 2nd Cox Plate, you said she would be running in the Melbourne Cup and you said she was no champion until she performed as a 5yo and 6yo.
You have so much egg on your face, you must be finding it hard to breathe. Even after four Cox Plates, even though she is now a 7yo and even though she has won 30 straight, you haven't got the balls to admit she's a champion.
While she has grown and swept all before her in the past two years, your brain has shrunk and your views have become obsolete, irrelevant and stagnant.
It is coming Gary. Be patient, after all we have waited two years for your contribution.
I am indebted to the Parrot for those two extra horses. I think they really fit the bill comfortably.
Ortensia, whilst a handy sprinter, had a best result in Group Ones in Australia of a third in the Stradbroke. Vadamos, well he won a Group race in France in a field of about 6 and won a bit over a million dollars in his career.
Now perhaps you could do a little brainstorming with L. Rex. ( I think that is an oxymoron). Just remove the handicappers, assorted stablemates and leave the horses that won in open wfa races. I will give you a hand. Your first selection will be daylight.
As for Theking, of course he lost to Galleon. He was a gun three year old. If you look at history I think you will find that champion horses get beaten for lots of reasons. Champion tennis players lose in the first round of majors, Bradman got bowled out by very ordinary bowlers. Nothing is impossible. You might even say something intelligent one day, who knows.
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